Community Chat - 8/03/2011 Closed

PayPal_Adrian
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Hello everyone!

 

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PayPal_Adrian
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Sandy -

 

Glad to help out!  If I didn't cover enough, or you need more info, please don't hesitate to ping me!  Smiley Happy

 

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antn
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Thanks Andy for your answer,

 

but can you please clarify: Do you mean that a single transaction using paypal is limited to $10,000 or less?

 

Also, can you expound on how affects the $3000/month limit before you have to fill out the merchant application which is "subject to approval" by paypal.

 

This $3k/month restriction, does it mean I cant receive over $3k in any one month before approval from paypal?

 

If I have affiliates, do they also have to fill out an application to receive over $3k/month?

 

If a merchant who has not filled out this app goes over $3k in any one month, is the transaction denied, or the funds frozen?

 

Please I need answers to these questions so I can design the site in compliance to paypal's rules .

 

 

Thanks again...

 

 

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PayPal_Andy
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antn- Be more than happy to elucidate.  The $10K is the maximum that can be sent on one transaction.  I believe though that there's confusion on the $3K 'limit'.  There's no real limit on the amount of payments you can receive (although sometimes we will request documentation regarding your business model and things of that nature).  That $3K is actually the the minimum threshold you can receive before you start qualifying for lesser rates on fees.  The more business you do, the less money you pay to PayPal...potentially.  You do need to qualify for that rate, so that might be the 'approval' portion you're referring to.

 

Hope that clears things up.

 

Andy

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antn
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Andy, did you see my follow up question?

 

 

Please I need the answers! Smiley Happy

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Hobbyhut
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Perhaps I could get a real-time answer to this situation... I shipped a package to Canada and the buyer claimed non-receipt and opened a case... I obviously lost the case and paypal rewarded a fraudulent buyer with my money.

 

I have undisputable proof of shipment, and paypal cannot prove the item was not received by the buyer because shipments outside the U.S. are not tracked once they leave our borders... (USPS tracking #LJ259396732US)

 

This tells me that ANY buyer outside the U.S. who claims non-receipt will get a refund via chargeback whether they actually got the item or not...

 

My question is simply this... how is this a legitimate decision by paypal? Now when I try to appeal, paypal will not accept the tracking info coming back as "invalid action" -- honestly, how is this seller protection?

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PayPal_Adrian
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Thanks for the post, Hobbyhut!

 

I'm typing up a response for you; please be patient.

 

Thanks!

 

Adrian

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PayPal_Adrian
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Hobbyhut,

 

PayPal offers protection for it's sellers against claims for Non-Receipt provided you can show online proof of delivery (with online signature if it is over $250 in value) to the buyer. 

 

This means that in order to be protected against claims or chargebacks for the item not received, it is not an issue of whether or not the item has been shipped - but whether it has been delivered.  This is an industry and civil standard that was used long before PayPal entered the payments arena to decide disputes between merchants and consumers.

 

The concept that any international buyer can open a claim or a chargeback and receive a refund is, however, incorrect.  PayPal arbitrates claims of non-receipt every day, and the same USPS tracking number that sellers use can be tracked online.  Once the package arrives in the destination country, the local delivery service then uses that same tracking number in their system.  I have personally tracked USPS shipments all over the world, from Canada, to Thailand, Japan, South Africa, even Yemen and Russia.  It does work, and it can be done. 

 

USPS, however, will tell you their packages can't be tracked internationally.  That's because they don't track them internationally - but the local delivery service does.  From their viewpoint, it would be inappropriate for them to advise otherwise, as they simply don't control the local postal system in another country.  This is where a lot of confusion can come into play. 

 

If your shipping provider isn't willing to service your needs appropriately, or can't, we recommend using a shipping service that can track your package 100% of the way without handing it off to the local services.  For example, UPS and FedEx both do so.  Of course, these services are often more expensive than USPS, but they do offer an unbroken chain of custody that can offer you peace of mind and security in your shipment.

 

If you do choose to use a shipping service that doesn't offer this, or the added cost of shipping via an alternative service is not cost effective, then each merchant must ask themselves whether continuing with the transaction with a less than effective shipper - that won't offer them the protection they need - is worth the risk.  There are sellers who regularly ship items without tracking internationally, and most seldom see claims. 

 

If your tracking number doesn't confirm delivery, PayPal simply can't prove the buyer has received the item they paid for.  If that proof doesn't exist, then a refund must be issued. 

 

For more information on the Seller Protection Policy, see www.paypal.com/useragreement

 

For more tips on selling safely online, see www.paypal.com/securitycenter.

 

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Adrian

 

 

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Hobbyhut
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So what your telling me then, is that Paypal followed the tracking number into the Canadian postal system to determine that it actually did not arrive... I would love to be privy to that same information if you could tell me how to go about it... I simply don't believe that Paypal does this as I have read post after post where sellers lose out when using international first class.

 

The shipment was mailed just prior to the postal strike and I actually do believe that the item has been lost do to that fact. Shouldn't special consideration be given in a situation such as a postal strike?  Can you tell me under what cicumstances paypal resolves claims by dipping into their own billions to settle a case without hitting up iether party for the funds?

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PayPal_Adrian
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Hobbyhut,

 

Correct - PayPal will take the tracking number to the local site and run it there.  If you were shipping to Canada Post, we would have gone to their website and tried it out there to see if there were any updates.  If you take the tracking number you list above, it doesn't bring anything up on the Canada Post website.

 

For international packages sent via USPS, we recommend Express Mail International; First Class mail only comes with a reference number, and is more akin to sending a First Class letter in the mail.

 

When it comes to the Postal Strike that took place in Canada, PayPal did make special considerations.  If a claim was filed, we waited to decide the claim until the postal strike was over and all back logged packages were delivered.  We also actively messaged our members informing them of the strike and to take this into consideration when ordering or disputing a purchase; representatives who received requests to file a claim were instructed to educate their customers about how they may need to allow more time before filing a claim.

 

If a package is lost, then it is the responsibility of the shipping service - the contractor that was hired to deliver the package - to reimburse the sender of the item for the damaged or lost goods.  If that is the case, you would want to get in touch with Canada Post and see if they can locate your item.  If they can't, you may be able to request reimbursement.  Given that this is definitely an unusual scenario, they might be amicable to this request even if you didn't have insurance.  Ultimately, though, it will be up to them what sort of reimbursement, if any, they would offer for a failure to complete their services.

 

Thanks!

 

Adrian

 

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PayPal_Adrian
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Thank you to everyone for participating in this week's chat session!

 

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