PayPal pending payment
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I would like to hear from someone at PayPal the answers to several specific questions relating to the pending payment policy. I have read the various threads on this, and the relevant section of the Terms of Service Agreement, but these are questions not answered elsewhere.
FIrst, the background. Like so many others here, I was caught by surprise when payment was held up for an item I sold on eBay. The item sold for $455 and because it is heavy and bulky, the shipping charge was $225 (in the actual fact, it cost me more than that amount to pack and ship and I ate the difference). The winning bidder paid immediately via PayPal. PayPal immediately marked this as a "pending" payment. The item was shipped less than 48 hours after the auction closed and delivered yesterday. I supplied the tracking information to PayPal/eBay as instructed. The payment still shows simply as "pending" and when I click on "Details" I am told that status applies for another 14 days, OR 3 days after PayPal can determine that the item was delivered, OR 3 days after the buyer leaves positive feedback.
There is no way for me to verify that PayPal/eBay knows now that the item was, in fact, delivered yesterday. There is no way to know when and if a change in pending status has occurred. The policy is ambiguous as to whether delivery even matters for an eBay auction item, or if only positive buyer feedback will release the funds in less than 21 days.
QUESTION 1: If the item was sold pursuant to an eBay auction, is the pending status changed when the SOONER OF or LATER OF the two listed events occur: provable delivery or positive buyer feedback? How can I verify that PayPal now knows the item was delivered and, therefore, that the 3-day clock has started to count down?
PayPal positions itself as the most convenient way for a seller to accept payments, especially on eBay transactions. I was charged a $20+ fee for this transaction. I had to front the $225 shipping charge. I now have to wait an arbitrary amount of time for payment, with no feedback from PayPal as to status before or after the buyer submitted his PayPal payment transaction. In the very best case, the funds will hit my bank account two weeks from when the auction closed because of the holiday weekend.
QUESTION 2: Why is this good for me as a seller? You are charging me premium transaction fees, what service am I AS A SELLER getting in return for this policy and the fees charged?
The most basic tenet of contract law is that the parties have to agree to the terms in order for there to be a contract. PayPal's Terms of Service Agreement relating to pending payments is hopelessly vague, to the degree that I question that it constitutes a contract. It would not be a valid contract for me to say, for example, "I can do whatever I want for any reason" and for you to agree, and for me to then take your car and your house. I could argue that your agreement was stupidity on your part (which is, essentially, PayPal's response to sellers in the various threads and is vaguely insulting), but I could not defend such capricious actions in court based on that "contract." Particularly in a dependent situation like this
The PayPal pending payment policy does not, for example, let me know, as a seller, whether I or any given transaction are subject to being pended, what I can do to prevent it, or what specific criteria PayPal will use. PayPal relies on terms like "high risk" that clearly mean something very different to the sellers who have spoken out in this forum than they mean to PayPal. In no way would I, as a reasonable seller, read the text of the TOSA and interpret it as meaning what PayPal is, in fact, doing. You are doing things that are not reasonable interpretations that a reasonable seller would be expected to conclude are consistent with the TOSA's language. They appear to be arbitrary and capricious and unrelated to the stated policy.
In short, a seller "agreeing" to the TOSA can have no basis for understanding what it now turns out PayPal means by those words.
QUESTION 3: How does the TOSA, regarding pending payment holds, constitute a valid contract, given that you provide no way for the seller to know what he/she is agreeing to and that reasonable sellers clearly think you are interpreting this language in ways opposite to the way they understand it?
Given that PayPal relies on its "sole discretion," there is an implied obligation for the policy and its enforcement to rationally relate to its purpose.
As with so many others, there is no evidence in my case of any kind of a problem. This was a personal sale, but I own a company that accepts credit cards based in large part on my own credit history, and have had no problem with approvals for those transactions from banks, or any problems with any specific transactions. There is no history of complaints against me personally or my company, I have no criminal history, no financial fraud, solid credit rating, bank account has been verified. In other words, PayPal has reached a decision about my "risk" that is opposite what other financial institutions that provide similar services have concluded.
QUESTION 4: How does the pending payment discretion policy of PayPal rationally relate to actual risks to buyers, its putative purpose? What does the term "high likelihood" mean anyway - 50%? 10%? 1%? What statistical evidence does PayPal have that the criteria used are predictive of a "high likelihood" (whatever that means) of buyer dissatisfaction? Is there any such evidence at all that eBay frequency is a reliable predictor, or is this just someone's guess?
Clearly, this policy benefits PayPal financially. You get the benefit of interest on the funds while they are in pending status. It is like travellers checks - the financial institution makes money on the float. Therefore, PayPal has set itself up with a clear conflict of interest, between fairly interpreting ambiguous or discretionary sections of the TOSA, e.g., what constitutes "risk" to buyers, and what is financially beneficial for PayPal.
QUESTION 5: Will PayPal remove this conflict by paying interest on the funds held? If not, how can you claim to not have an egregious conflict of interest in your unilateral interpretation of the TOSA?
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YEAH I THINK WE NEED TO ALL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET OUR MONEY..
I SOLD STUFF ON EBAY CAUSE I NEEDED EXTRA CASH. WELL THEN I SOLD ALOT OF THINGS AND PAYPAL HELD EVERYTHING BUT .87 CENTS. BS . I HAD TO GET MONEY FROM FAMILY JUST TO MAIL THE STUFF OFF.. I JUST LOST MY JOB AND TO HAVE TO PUT OUT MONEY FOR SHIPPING WAS CRAZY. THEY COULD HAVE ATLEAST PUT A SIDE ENOUGH FOR SHIPPING FOR ME.. I GUESS THEY THINK ALL PEOPLE SELLING ARE DOING IT FOR FUN. WERE ALL DOING IT FOR A REASON. WE MUST WORK TO PAY BILLS.. THANKS PAYPAL NOW I'M FLAT BROKE AND HAVE TO WAIT TO PAY MY MOM BACK FOR THE SHIPPING MONEY MAYBE 2 WEEKS FROM NOW.. I LOST MY JOB NOW I MIGHT HAVE A JOB IN TWO WEEKS AND I COULD HAVE KEPT MY STUFF..
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This is the end of ebay for me 4 days ago my items were recieved by the buyer with me getting pending payment 8 days ago. I still do not have my money since paypal has decided not to give it to me. When ever this transaction is finished if that ever happens I will be done with these people and company forever no more ebay or paypal.
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When you sell an item on eBay, you choose the handling time for when the item is sold. This handling time is the time you agree to ship the item to it's buyer once payment is cleared. As I will be doing for every item I sell from here on out, I will not be shipping my item until Paypal releases my payment. This should result in very upset buyers who will not be getting their items and I will be urging my buyers to complain to Paypal.
YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO SHIP YOUR ITEM UNTIL YOUR PAYMENT IS CLEARED. Read the disclaimers on eBay.
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Definitely a disadvantage for sellers who can't afford to let Paypal hold their money for weeks after the transaction. This negates the advantage of the 1% back on debit card usage, effectively gives Paypal use of your money (otherwise known as a loan) without interest. At least with my merchant processor I know when I will get my money, and have someone to complain to if it's delayed. Makes me hesitant to plan on using Paypal for future sales on eBay, and definitely not for sales from my websites. Google Checkout doesn't give me a hard time like this.
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Ok so here I am again my item was sold on march 1st shipped march 3rd and they are still holding my money FU&%*$KERS
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I've been using PayPal for many years and I've just had a payment held. It's for $10, I mean really...$10? I work from home and I have about 3 clients who pay me through PayPal which in some ways **bleep** anyways because I never get the full amount that I should get. I hate all the fees that come out and I really don't understand why sometimes fees get taken out and why other times they don't. Anyways, this was a payment from a client. I explained that to PayPal and their still holding it. This makes no sense. I have never had any problems sending or receiving money through PayPal before...That gives?
Dawn
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I agree 100%. This policy is unacceptable. I will wait my 21 days or whatever, and this will be the last time I buy or sell anything on ebay.
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I posted my complaint in this section a few days ago and now I want to give an update.
I sold an item on ebay and my customer sent the money via Paypal.
The amount was $31.00 and had a hold (payment pending).
As soon as the customer gave me feedback the money was released.
My customer lived in the same state as me so the total time the payment was on hold was 3 days.
I did not call or send Paypal emails to ask why they were holdijng it or anything.
I just waited to see if Paypal released it when they said they would in their explanation.
And they did.
I still think it's b.s. for holding the money but it's a little good news for the thread.
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Just wanted to agree with the original post. Whenever they stop withholding my $66.18 and decide to give it to me (the ebay buyer left positive feedback a couple weeks ago) I don't think i'll be using paypal anymore.

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