PayPal pending payment
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I would like to hear from someone at PayPal the answers to several specific questions relating to the pending payment policy. I have read the various threads on this, and the relevant section of the Terms of Service Agreement, but these are questions not answered elsewhere.
FIrst, the background. Like so many others here, I was caught by surprise when payment was held up for an item I sold on eBay. The item sold for $455 and because it is heavy and bulky, the shipping charge was $225 (in the actual fact, it cost me more than that amount to pack and ship and I ate the difference). The winning bidder paid immediately via PayPal. PayPal immediately marked this as a "pending" payment. The item was shipped less than 48 hours after the auction closed and delivered yesterday. I supplied the tracking information to PayPal/eBay as instructed. The payment still shows simply as "pending" and when I click on "Details" I am told that status applies for another 14 days, OR 3 days after PayPal can determine that the item was delivered, OR 3 days after the buyer leaves positive feedback.
There is no way for me to verify that PayPal/eBay knows now that the item was, in fact, delivered yesterday. There is no way to know when and if a change in pending status has occurred. The policy is ambiguous as to whether delivery even matters for an eBay auction item, or if only positive buyer feedback will release the funds in less than 21 days.
QUESTION 1: If the item was sold pursuant to an eBay auction, is the pending status changed when the SOONER OF or LATER OF the two listed events occur: provable delivery or positive buyer feedback? How can I verify that PayPal now knows the item was delivered and, therefore, that the 3-day clock has started to count down?
PayPal positions itself as the most convenient way for a seller to accept payments, especially on eBay transactions. I was charged a $20+ fee for this transaction. I had to front the $225 shipping charge. I now have to wait an arbitrary amount of time for payment, with no feedback from PayPal as to status before or after the buyer submitted his PayPal payment transaction. In the very best case, the funds will hit my bank account two weeks from when the auction closed because of the holiday weekend.
QUESTION 2: Why is this good for me as a seller? You are charging me premium transaction fees, what service am I AS A SELLER getting in return for this policy and the fees charged?
The most basic tenet of contract law is that the parties have to agree to the terms in order for there to be a contract. PayPal's Terms of Service Agreement relating to pending payments is hopelessly vague, to the degree that I question that it constitutes a contract. It would not be a valid contract for me to say, for example, "I can do whatever I want for any reason" and for you to agree, and for me to then take your car and your house. I could argue that your agreement was stupidity on your part (which is, essentially, PayPal's response to sellers in the various threads and is vaguely insulting), but I could not defend such capricious actions in court based on that "contract." Particularly in a dependent situation like this
The PayPal pending payment policy does not, for example, let me know, as a seller, whether I or any given transaction are subject to being pended, what I can do to prevent it, or what specific criteria PayPal will use. PayPal relies on terms like "high risk" that clearly mean something very different to the sellers who have spoken out in this forum than they mean to PayPal. In no way would I, as a reasonable seller, read the text of the TOSA and interpret it as meaning what PayPal is, in fact, doing. You are doing things that are not reasonable interpretations that a reasonable seller would be expected to conclude are consistent with the TOSA's language. They appear to be arbitrary and capricious and unrelated to the stated policy.
In short, a seller "agreeing" to the TOSA can have no basis for understanding what it now turns out PayPal means by those words.
QUESTION 3: How does the TOSA, regarding pending payment holds, constitute a valid contract, given that you provide no way for the seller to know what he/she is agreeing to and that reasonable sellers clearly think you are interpreting this language in ways opposite to the way they understand it?
Given that PayPal relies on its "sole discretion," there is an implied obligation for the policy and its enforcement to rationally relate to its purpose.
As with so many others, there is no evidence in my case of any kind of a problem. This was a personal sale, but I own a company that accepts credit cards based in large part on my own credit history, and have had no problem with approvals for those transactions from banks, or any problems with any specific transactions. There is no history of complaints against me personally or my company, I have no criminal history, no financial fraud, solid credit rating, bank account has been verified. In other words, PayPal has reached a decision about my "risk" that is opposite what other financial institutions that provide similar services have concluded.
QUESTION 4: How does the pending payment discretion policy of PayPal rationally relate to actual risks to buyers, its putative purpose? What does the term "high likelihood" mean anyway - 50%? 10%? 1%? What statistical evidence does PayPal have that the criteria used are predictive of a "high likelihood" (whatever that means) of buyer dissatisfaction? Is there any such evidence at all that eBay frequency is a reliable predictor, or is this just someone's guess?
Clearly, this policy benefits PayPal financially. You get the benefit of interest on the funds while they are in pending status. It is like travellers checks - the financial institution makes money on the float. Therefore, PayPal has set itself up with a clear conflict of interest, between fairly interpreting ambiguous or discretionary sections of the TOSA, e.g., what constitutes "risk" to buyers, and what is financially beneficial for PayPal.
QUESTION 5: Will PayPal remove this conflict by paying interest on the funds held? If not, how can you claim to not have an egregious conflict of interest in your unilateral interpretation of the TOSA?
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I have paid PayPal invoices from contractors to my business, before, but just used it for the first time for business purposes to invoice a corporate client who uses "purchasing cards." They sent the payment yesterday, but it still shows pending today. How long should I have to wait until the payment goes through and before I should be concerned?
On my other personal account payment is immediate.
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21 days or if your lucky they have to give you a positive feedback..
more then likely 21 days....
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Ok, here is my problem. Ebay shows paypal is processing the funds, but they do not show up in my paypal account. There is a click to claim button on ebay i click it it takes me to paypal to login and i login and nothing. Is this the same payment pending everyone on here is talking about? I've experience the one where paypal actually shows pending in paypal but the fact that is is not worries me. I've had an open order in Ebay since 2/26 and having actually been waiting for the payment to clear, thinking it was maybe a check or something, but in the last three days I've had over 5 items sale and I have not been paid for any of them. I work on a drop ship basis and I am having to pay for these items of front. I've sold mulitply items previous to this and even bought items but no one has left any feedback. I noticed this forum read some and decided to ship the items, but with the increased amount of ordering I am really concerned about getting my money since it is not even showing in paypal.
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Jeremy1102, I am a drop shipper too. If the payment is still processing it is not a good idea to ship the item at all. On your Paypal summery page if the item has a red flag on it and the status is pending that means that most likely the buyer has not transfered funds from a band or credit account to pay for the item. Also I should note that a lot of buyers do not intend to place funds in the accounts just to scam sellers. I suggest you contact the buyers and if they do not respond you need to start opening some non paying bidder cases, actually you can open these cases right now since you havent been payed since Feb. If you can get these cases opened and closed before this months end you can get your final value fee refunded to you from Ebay.
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" On your Paypal summery page if the item has a red flag on it and the status is pending that means that most likely the buyer has not transfered funds from a band or credit account to pay for the item"
The problem is is isn't showing at all in PayPal. Ebay has held every payment for the last two weeks, and all the people that have bought all have high feedback ratings.
Here is what my ebay order details page says:
Payment was initiated on Mar-06-10 (and so on) and is being processed through PayPal
But nothing has ever shown up in paypal.
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Check and make sure that you have your correct email address for your account on Ebay. You have been selling on this account for a while but just cover your bases and make sure it is correct. Next check your summery under payments recieved, and try to match the payments to the orders. If you dont see the orders get on the phone with Ebay and ask some questions and if they dont have answers get on the phone with Paypal.
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Amanda:
I agree this should generate confidence for Buyers. Why not give specific reasons to Seller on why the funds are not released. You give generic reasons. Tell us what we need to do to maintain our cash flow.
- member less than six months
- have limited selling activity
- eBay feedback is less than100%
- poor performance record
- Buyer dissatisfaction of 5% or higher
- DSR is less than 4.5
- fewer than 20 DSR in last 12 months
- high rate of customer disputes
- selling in a high risk category
- a spike in selling activities
- selling in a category without established history
Your suggestion for seller to communicate early and often with the buyer, should also apply to PayPal. Communicate with specifics to the seller.
This is not a business for me. I enjoy it. But this kind of hassle "Takes the Fun Out of It". I've had my first "payment pending" and I have spent 11 hours stumbling through your Website. If I knew exactly why you are holding my money it might not seem like such a "pain in the butt". I'll keep trying but if this does not improve I'm done.
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Payment hold - a longer definition
A payment hold is an amount of money that belongs to you, set aside by PayPal, while we make sure that your customers are satisfied. The funds for payments received are held temporarily as a pending balance in your account, and released at the end of the given hold timeframe. The funds may be released early if PayPal determines that the transaction has been fulfilled and your customers are satisfied.
Hey Amanda, my transaction has been fulfilled. The buyer got the stuff, left positive feedback and everything. When will my money be released so I can have it transferred to my bank account?
Seems to me THAT'S the common factor of the rants here.
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Amanda,
I have sold several items and have delivered promptly. Today, I sold another item but the payment from the eBay buyer is pending. I am hesitant to send my product unless the funds are collected. It is no fun to put something in the mail wondering whether or not the money will ever be released If I had NOT shipped a product I would understand your worries, but I have. I am a single mother and this was a shock and a major challenge for my family. Having spent the money on the product now I Have to to wait for funds.
I love Paypal, and I feel like I will be supplied with some sort of good explaination.
Thank you, M
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WOW! Thank you for holding my money for me to make sure I'm not a F-ing theif.
You are there for me Paypal. It must be love.
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