What to Do When Paypal Takes Money Out of Your Bank's Account WIthout Authorization?
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So I've had a strange problem thanks to Paypal, which has thus far cost me $108. It began when I made two small purchases on Ebay, which I could easily cover with the amount of money in my Paypal account. Everything looked normal to me, seeming the exact same as it always did. Having done this dozens of times before, I didn't think anything of it.
Then two weeks later, I got two e-mails from Paypal telling me my bank account had insufficient funds to cover the transaction, and I needed to make sure it had sufficient money in it within three days when they reran the charges.
I was baffled. I had no idea why Paypal would be charging anything to my bank account. Paypal was supposed to charge my Paypal account like it always has. I tried logging into their site to switch the payment option, but I couldn't, and because I was busy and out of town, I didn't pursue the matter.
When I got home this week, I found out my bank had charged me $108 in NSF (insufficient fund) fees because the account didn't have enough money to cover the transactions. Each time Paypal tried got me hit with a $27 fee, so with two purchases run two times each, I was hit with $108 in fees.
I couldn't figure out why this had happened. I called Paypal to find out, and I was told it was because I had used their Pay After Delivery program, and that program requires you pay from a bank account. I told the person I had never enrolled in such a program. He said I had been enrolled in automatically. I told him I had never seen or heard of it before. He said I must not have shopped anywhere that allowed the use of it since I got enrolled. I said I never agreed to have Paypal transfer money out my bank account. He said tough **bleep**.
Well, no. He was more courteous than that. So were the other three people I spoke with at Paypal. They were all very nice and friendly. They were even sympathetic. But they all told me the same basic thing, "Tough luck." They say there was a text box on the screen when I made my purchases which said my bank account would be used (I've seen it; it's incredily easy to miss); therefore Paypal was allowed to take money out of my bank account.
But it wasn't. One nondescript textbox on a confirmation page doesn't override the displayed settings a user's account has had for five or more years. You don't get to enroll a person into a program without their knowledge or consent then trick them into changing their payment plan by making one small notice of the change on a single page and pretending that means they've given informed consent.
Now normally, it wouldn't really matter because I would have spent the same amount of money. Only, there are differences. First, taking money out of my bank account means I have different rights and protections than if the money was taken out of my Paypal account. Second, and far more importantly, I was charged $108 in fees.
That's $108 Paypal has cost me by performing unauthorized transactions with my bank account. And Paypal refuses to reimburse me. They've effectively defrauded me, and according to them, I just have to take it. Even better? After my calls, Paypal unenrolled me from the program. So when I tested what would happen if I tried to buy something from Ebay again, guess what happened? It defaulted to using my bank account.
That's right. If I had been naive enough to think the two hours I spent on the phone talking to people today actually mattered, and that Paypal actively rmeoving me from this program would mean they would stop trying to take money out of my bank account, I have been a fool. And I might well have gotten myself charged another $54 or $108. All it would have taken is for me to not have been actively looking to make sure Paypal was still trying to take money from my bank account without my authorization.
So yeah, I'm not happy. In the morning, I'm going to call Paypal (again) to inform them of the situation since the User Agreement we have to try to resolve any disputes with Paypal first. If that doesn't go anywhere, I apparently have to file a fraud packet with the bank to report the charges as fraudulent, and since I know who made them, I might have to file a police report as well.
If you count the time I've already spent on the phone with Paypal and my bank, that means I'm looking at spending at least six hours on this, because of $108 in fees accrued for about $20 in purchases. That's ridiculous. But it's what Paypal is forcing me to do with this ridiculous practice of taking money from people's bank accounts without any sort of warning or request for permission.
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I need help I went to aeropastle web sight placed an order went to check out an I had linked my debit card to my paypal thinking that since aeropastle doesnt accept paypal credit I thought if I hit the paypal button it would use my bank debit card to place the order then take the money from my paypal account is this how it works or does it take from ur bank account an just shows that u used paypal an the money will come from the bank account
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slickchic2, if you need help, I think your best bet would be to create a post of your own so people can see it and possibly help you. As it is, it is unlikely anyone looking for posts with people asking for help will notice your comment at the bottom of this thread.
As for this thread, I'm happy to report matters have been resolved. After over a dozen calls to Paypal and my bank which went nowhere, I was quite frustrated with the lack of progress. The individuals I spoke to were friendly and sympathetic, but it seemed none were capable of doing anything about the situation. Even worse, it seemed every time I called Paypal, I had to explain the entire situation over again because there was no record kept of any of my previous interactions with them.
But while this was all going on, I had happened to write a couple blog posts about my experiences for a small personal blog I run. It doesn't have much traffic, and I'm sure Paypal would never take notice of it of its own accord. However, I was on Twitter talking about my experiences as well, and I mentioned the @AskPayPal account in some of my tweets. A person handling that account read my blog posts and got in touch with me about my situation.
He sent me a DM explaining what had happened, apologizing for the situation and asking to arrange a time to speak on the phone to verify a few details. Before I even responded, he credited my account the amount of the initial purchases, something I had never asked or expected Paypal to do (it was only ~$20, but it was still cool of him). After we spoke on the phone and verified a few details, he promptly had me credited the money to reimburse me for the bank fees.
I don't know what the difference was between him and the other people I spoke to. He was friendly and helpful, but so was everyone else. The only difference seemed to be he had a good grasp of what was going on and was able to take immediate action to resolve it. It wasn't like he made me jump through any extra hoops or provide any extra documentation. He had the same information as everyone else. Admittedly, it being written out in blog posts with screenshots of relevant details may have made it easier to follow than phone conversations, but that could have been solved by the people I spoke to on the phone making notes on my account of the relevant details.
Regardless, the point is Paypal agreed a mistake was made and reimbursed me for my costs. And then some. Their phone support had no way to handle the situation even though it didn't disagree with that conclusion. That sucks. If it could have been more like their online support, it could have saved me and the people I spoke to (both at Paypal and my bank) a couple hours of irritation.
So yeah, if I have problems with Paypal in the future and my first call to customer service goes nowhere, I'm not going to bother making more. I'll just go to their online support.
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Don't worry where you post, it should still be picked up.
However your post is a bit confusing but i will let you know the normal default funding sources and see if that helps you.
1. Funds in your paypal account balance.
2. Bank account.
3. Debit or credit card.
When you go to pay it ALWAYS tells you where the funds will be debited from DURING the payment process and is easy enough to click on "change" during the payment process and select a card if you want to UNLESS you have funds in your paypal balance as that will always be used first.
Just read the info above your balance where it states where the funds will be debited from and change it if you want to, its not rocket science and is straightforward.
Post back if i misunderstood your post.
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Well I have money in my paypal account but when I purchased from aeropostole they credited my bank acoount which caused 2 overdrafts totaling 60 plus the 50 for my order I just cant figure out why they didnt use my paypal account I thought if u checked paypal at checkout thats what they would use but aeropostle doesnt except paypal credit so wheni checked out I hit paypal an since my debit card is linked to my account they used it
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Do you use pay after delivery at all???
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