I am sure 99% of the sellers here would agree with you when you say eBay needs to realize there are bad buyers. I do believe they are really very aware of that, but they won't do anything to the buyers' Paypal accounts. One thing I do not think they have put much thought into is that so many of us sellers buy on eBay, and if we can't access our funds--well, speaking for myself anyway, there is no way on this earth I am going to buy something on eBay when I know they will pull it from my checking account and not from my Paypal balance, money I earned.
That's my thought on that, but honestly I do believe everything that can be said has been said. There is no way to change this. I know the original thread was closed, but it would really be good if there were a way for the new posters to go back and read everything that has been suggested, tried, etc., etc. Nothing is going to change. We have to adjust to it and live about a month behind with our income from our sales. Of course, I highly recommend that we don't shop on eBay ourselves. We didn't shop here before the Internet and eBay and we don't have to now.
Someone has over and over suggested we, the sellers, have a mass exodus from eBay, but I don't think that is the answer..not as sellers anyway. The only way we can actually 'boycott' is to stop buying here, and I really think they will see a difference in their bottom line. You do have to admit you get more traffic here than other sites, for now anyway. So, let them hang on to our money until they have the proof they say they need, but we also should hang onto ALL of ours that once went into buying here.
Of course, everyone thinks they have the answer, but after seeing all of the rage and repeated calling eBay and Paypal names which isn't going to do a bit of good but to get it out of your system for the moment and to also put yourself in the spotlight for your '15 mins of fame' here if you are inclined to need that. Personally, after all that has been said and knowing nothing will change, what else is there to do but stop selling on eBay or stop using Paypal OR adjust but stop buying. They do make a lot of money in final value in eBay and transaction fees in Paypal from purchases sellers make. This is the only way I can see that could affect them where it hurts, the bottom line, because no amount of threats to pull out of selling or calling them names is going to change the fact that most sellers will continue to sell and there will always be new ones who don't know this is a major change and will just happily go along with it.
Bottom line, and I have given a lot of thoughts on this before, but for the first time I have realized how much our not buying from eBay sellers is going to affect both eBay and Paypal. This is not meant to be anything more than to get their attention so maybe they will see fit to find a way for the money to be released "at the time the label is printed" and not once the buyer leaves feedback or we "send" the tracking number. Once the label is printed, which they do have proof of by the way their system works, then okay, let them wait just past the 24 hour period we have for canceling the label, and then release the hold. That makes perfect sense to me. They would have their proof that the package is on the way. Once they know that, they have standard operating procedures that will fall into play if the buyer is not happy, etc. etc.
I would also like to say that I am posting this mainly for Olivia or whoever else is moderating in the hopes that they might suggest to Paypal that sellers could easily stop buying on eBay, not just when they don't have their funds released but all the time. They are willing to take the hit on some sellers leaving, but just maybe they haven't considered this or don't believe enough sellers would do it to make a difference. Also, my post is to see if possibly the moderator will see if they might take the suggestion of only holding the funds for just over the 24 hours we have to cancel the label, possibly 30 - 36 hours. That is not going to affect us as adversely as waiting for the feedback or having to take the time on each sale to contact Paypal with the tracking number and then wait for them to check it. That's not efficient, and I cannot imagine them leaving things less efficient as that will only cost them money.
Considering every other topic has been covered other than us not buying, I see nothing else to add if you plan to stay a seller and if you continue to take Paypal. In situations like this, you either leave, or you accept it and know complaining is not going to make a bit of difference. So far, all I have seen it do is get people here in heated and hateful discussions. But, admittedly some of the comments were so redundant and hateful, it was difficult not to comment. But, since the thread was closed before because of this, let's hope some others have suggestions other than the mass exodus, which isn't going to happen or lawsuits, which aren't going to happen. Just like a regular here says, read the rules and regulations. It is my opinion that Paypal and eBay (since both state the same thing in their contents) should change the wording so everyone who reads it does not think they personally are being called a risk. This was the original wording, and it does mean exactly what it says, but with the way it is now, the hold is not just for those who are a risk, so the wording needs to be addressed to reflect this new change, or maybe show it as an addendum and the date it was imposed and why. It does insinuate that is the reason for this, and some of it is, but for the most part it is only a strategic business decision for which they are willing to have people leave so they will not be left with the financial burden of some sellers not being able to fulfill or in some cases deliberately not being able to fulfill their end of the agreement. With an empty Paypal and no money in the bank and a credit card that has been closed, Paypal absorbs the loss. I know most of you already know this. It would even be nice if they sent out a letter to all sellers stating this and not allude to the ones with holds being a risk when by the end of July, according to Paypal Customer Service, all sellers will have the same new hold placed on their funds.
I hope this helps some who have just come on here to know griping about it is not going to change anything but maybe will give others the idea of not buying if you want to see if it will get their attention. For the sellers smaller than the BIG STORES, not selling is not going to make a bit of difference. By BIG STORES, I mean the major department stores who may accept Paypal as a method of payment.
This change was implemented in the last few weeks. The posting on here about a 21 day hold before that time apparently was from those who did have a reason to appear tao be a risk or maybe they just had a sale of a high dollar amount where the buyer had not left fb. I know this has happened to my son for a high priced item. He had the tracking number, the item was delivered, buyer signed for it, but up came a 21 day hold and this was a few years ago. He called them, said it was delivered and signed for so why was his money being held. They wanted proof because of it being a high dollar item and no feedback. Once they had it, the hold was lifted. THIS is why it would be good if a moderator on here would suggest to Paypal, if they have any authority at all to do so, about holding only for maybe 36 hours after the label is printed and if the label is not canceled. That shows right away if it is canceled, so they would be protected. Solutions we suggest need to be something both we and Paypal can work with not just call them names and say we didn't agree to this. They covered that with the wording, although again I think it should be changed to reflect today's procedures and why.
Thanks for your reading this.
