Scam on Facebook

[Temp20211220]

I ordered wooden Christmas decorations from BeecherLLC. Paid through PayPal. Never delivered but PayPal paid them. Now I want my money back. This company can't be found on the internet. They advertised on Facebook.

[kernowlass]

@Temp20211220 

How do I open a dispute with a seller when a purchase goes wrong?

You can open a dispute in the Resolution Centre of your PayPal account within 180 days of payment if:
•You don’t receive the item OR service
•You receive an item but it’s significantly different than the description on eBay or on the seller’s website (or you receive a totally different product).

By opening a dispute, you can communicate directly with your seller to work out a problem transaction.

If you reach an agreement with the seller you can close the dispute. If you're still not happy with the result, you can escalate the dispute into a claim. Paypal will review the claim and decide on reimbursement.

These steps apply to Personal accounts. If you have a Business account, please log in to see the steps that apply to you.

To open a dispute:
1.Log in to your PayPal account.
2. Click on the transaction and use the resolve a problem option at the bottom of that details page.

Note:
•Generally buyers must wait at least 7 days from the date of payment to escalate a dispute for an item not received
•Where an item has not been received, please ensure you have given the seller enough time before opening a dispute

Do not close the dispute until you have a refund or your item.
If a seller states that they can't refund until you have closed the dispute don't believe them.
Escalate the dispute to a claim within 20 days (before it times out), if you need Paypal to get involved.

If you lose because the seller provides a fake tracking number then post back here for more advice.
If the item arrives and its not what you ordered / not as described then make sure you change the dispute quickly from non receipt. If the dispute times out before you can change it then contact customer services to open a second dispute for the new reason.

Activate the below link in case you have to return the item at Paypals request (or the correct one for your country as this is the U.S link).
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/returns

If that does not work then if you funded your paypal payment via a card then contact your card issuer and see if they will issue a chargeback.

[craftyman5]

HELLO,

YES I FELL FOR THE FACEBOOK CHRISTMAS DECORATION SCAM,

COMPLAINED TO PAYPAL BUT THEY HAVE SIDED WITH THE SCAMMERS (qatio Co.,Ltd ) EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE AWARE OF THEM,

BECAUSE THEY PROVIDED A TRACKING NUMBER.

THE DAY THE ITEM WAS ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN DELIVERED I WAS IN ALL DAY AND IT WAS NOT DELIVERED 

WHERE CAN I TURN TO NOW TO RECOVER MY MONEY?

RAY T

[kernowlass]

@craftyman5 

Paypal is just a payment processor that gives you 'some' buyer and 'some' seller protection.
So disputes for non receipt of item are mostly automated. Seller provides tracking that shows delivery = seller wins.
So then its your turn to do some work to assist Paypal in recovering your purchase price from your seller.

Firstly ring Paypal customer services and tell them that the number is fake or that the item was shown as shipped before you purchased it. With that information they may well just issue you a refund.

Secondly if they don't then... APPEAL
To submit an appeal on the dispute that was closed, PayPal asks that you obtain a detailed report from the shipper/courier (on their letterhead or some other form of official stationary) that includes the address the seller gave them for the shipment. Or one that includes a statement mentioning your address and saying the item was delivered to a different address. THEY DON'T HAVE TO SAY WHICH ADDRESS IT WAS SENT TO, JUST THAT IT WAS NOT DELIVERED TO YOUR ADDRESS.

Check tracking in below link to see where it went.
https://www.17track.net/en

When you have that, contact PayPal via phone (log on to your account and click contact at the bottom of the page, or via Facebook (send a Private Message to PayPal) or via Twitter (send a Direct Message to @AskPayPal) and say you want to appeal the denial of the dispute based on the shipper saying the item was delivered to a different address. Once it's submitted (you will be provided with directions on how to do that), the dispute will be reviewed further and a determination will be made.

You also have the option to contact your card issuer if you funded your Paypal payment that way and see if they will do a chargeback for you?

[craftyman5]

Hi, 

Apparently Paypal have made their ruling in favour of a scam company, and will not alter their decision, there is no appeal link and cannot contact them about the decision.  Now I have had time to search, there are lots of negative comments about 'quatio Co.,Ltd' , if only paypal had searched they would have found them.

If only I had known / searched, So now i'm out of pocket and no way of getting my money back. 

thanks for the replies given but head and brick wall come to mind.

regards

ray t

[kernowlass]

@craftyman5 

They are not going to search, its for you to risk assess your own transactions.

Paypal can't check every seller in over 200 countries worldwide so that's why they give you some buyer and some seller protection.

Even if they searched and stopped them using paypal then all these China companies do is change names and start over.

There is a way to appeal which I described above and which a lot of folks have successfully used.