A WARNING ABOUT PAYPAL BUYER PROTECTION
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I'm sure that there are a few people like me who believed that Paypal actually protects you when making purchases, especially from overseas sellers who can be flat out ripoffs.
I recently negotiated the sale of a gt1 clone with a hard drive for a t42 laptop. The hard drive was supposed to be loaded with DIS, SSS, and DAS and you select the boot by F1,F2,F3. The problem is when I received the package there was no hdd. I contacted the seller who says they don't "know the products they are selling" and that should not have been promised. After starting a dispute with Paypal they stopped emailing me. I never received the hdd and the $650.00 I spent for the crappy clone was far too much. I escalated the dispute to a claim with Paypal. It was immediately declined and an email sent to me and the seller as such. I contacted Paypal on the phone as I was very angry and was told that if the item was not purchased through Paypal you are only covered if they send nothing at all. They cover "Item not received", not "item significantly different than described". An example they give is, "Such as an empty box". So if the guy in China takes a crap in a box and sends it to you, you are not covered as you received your item, it's just not what you ordered. You received an item, not the item. I'm out $650.00 for a crappy clone unless this seller miraculously sends it to me. If I ordered it with my credit card I would have much better protection. What is the point of using Paypal?
Here's the definition from their User Agreement of Significantly not as described.
13.8 SNAD Definition. An item is Significantly Not as Described if it is materially different than what the Seller described in the item listing. Here are some examples:
- You received a completely different item. Example: You purchased a book and received a DVD or an empty box.
- The condition of the item was misrepresented. Example: The listing said "new" and the item was used.
- The item was advertised as authentic but is not authentic.
- The item is missing major parts or features which were not disclosed in the listing.
- You purchased three items from a Seller but only received two.
- The item was damaged during shipment.
An item is not Significantly Not as Described if it is materially similar to the Seller’s item listing description. Here are some examples:
- The defect in the item was correctly described by the Seller.
- The item was properly described but you didn't want it after you received it.
- The item was properly described but did not meet your expectations.
- The item has minor scratches and was listed as used condition.
Here's the definition of Item Not Received
“Item Not Received” means a challenge to a payment from a User claiming that the item purchased was not received.
And as long as they can provide a tracking number, you received "your item" even if it was not the Item you purchased, but something completely different. That is now, "the item you purchased" and you received it. So it is now significantly not as described.
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And what, this was an off ebay purchase.
There is no SNAD protection for such purchases.
next time read the user agreement you agreeed to before using the service.
Now if you funded the paypal payment with a credit card or branded debit card (m/c visa), contact them and file a chargeback
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I did not read this part or understand that there was a difference between using Paypal with Ebay and without.
After being cheated out of $652.00 and finding out I have no protection, I'm making an effort to let all members know that they need to read the agreement and understand that they are not covered by Paypal when buying outside of Ebay.
I don't see why you would threaten me with expulsion from Paypal for this. I would think that making people aware of this would make it easier on Paypal to not have upset customers. Unless you do not want them to know this.
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If you are only another poster, and have nothing better say than "read the SNAD", maybe you need another hobby.
And now it appears I am wasting my time also. **bleep** I love the internet!
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@Shulla wrote:If you are only another poster, and have nothing better say than "read the SNAD", maybe you need another hobby.
He/she posted " read the user agreement", and the reason he/she has " nothing better to say" is because there's nothing better to say, if the user would've read the user agreement they would've known what is and isn't covered, and gregc4 says " who ever reads user agreements", well the answer is responsible adults, most people read contracts before they sign up for things, if you can't accept that responsibility, don't use it
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Responsible adults would read user agreements, you are correct. But when the user agreement states that you are covered for your item not being received, then says that an empty box (an item) will be considered "your item". I did not purchase an empty box. You are missing the whole point. I'm trying to make people aware of the user agreements
verbage which covers absolutely nothing. Maybe through this more people will become "responsible adults" who will read and understand the user agreement. By the way, Paypal has not taken steps to insure that transactions are safe.
As you make selections of how to pay you should be advised as to what is best in your behalf. When purchasing outside of Ebay, when selecting the payment method it shouldadvise the user that by funding with a credit acrd you have additional chageback benefits from the credit card. Wait, that would just cause Paypal to be out the money and they would then have to collect it from the seller. Apparently, I'm not the most unresponsible adult however because in speaking with the resolution management they've stated that they are now working to correct the user agreement to better protect the buyers in such transactions. They did agree to help me and have returned 1/2 of the transaction. So I'm only out $325.00. Hopefully I can keep more people from making the same mistake I made by posting this.
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