No Fair Protection for the Seller ???

PlainlyDressed
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I was recently forced to send this letter to Paypal because there is NO FAIR PROTECTION for the Seller and the system doesn't make sense.  Has anyone else had this problem as a small-business owner / seller ??

Greetings

I need some guidance and advice because we are considering discontinuing our use of the Paypal shopping cart, as there seems to be NO protection for the seller.  It seems that there is an ABUNDANCE of protection from the buyer, but none for the seller.

We own a small, custom-clothing business.  The items are custom-made by order and it is WELL-INDICATED on the website AND on the shopping cart to "please allow 4-8 weeks for completion and delivery of all orders."  It is also indicated that "smaller items are kept on-stock for quick shipment, however, if they are out of stock and being re-made, the order will fall under the standard 4-8 weeks for completion and delivery unless other arrangements have been made."

When creating my Paypal shopping cart tags, the options allow me to select the TIME-FRAME for completion and delivery of the order.  Paypal ALLOWS me to select that option, which would lead the seller to assume there is SOME level of protection provided when an impatient or unreasonable buyer complains. 

 

When an eBay buyer files a dispute or claim for a sale, the seller has several options:

* Refund the item
* Provide Proof item was refunded
* Refund the item upon its Return
* DISAGREE WITH DISPUTE AND EXPLAIN WHY

I have discovered that shopping cart customers are NOT allowed that 4th option when buyers file a complaint.  INSTEAD, the money is immediately withdrawn from our account - NO QUESTIONS ASKED - and we are given only 3 options to select in response to the dispute:

* Provide Proof that the item was Shipped
* Provide Proof of a Refund
* Refund the purchase

There are NO OPTIONS allowed for the buyer to provide response or explanation to the customer. 

Case-in-point:

 

A customer may not pay attention to the well-indicated policies on the website AND on the Paypal shopping cart and files a complaint of "non-receipt" 15 days after buying a custom-made garment.  The money is immediately withdrawn from my account, which might put me in the red, depending on our current sales levels - I am allowed NO options to respond politely to the customer's dispute on Paypal without agreeing to one of the 3 options listed above (NONE of which apply to the particular circumstance) - so I am left with the option to email or call the customer directly to politely remind them of the policies to which they agreed when placing their order and that the order is still well-within the time-frame indicated.

In these cases, the customer is usually beligerant and refuses to respond to my email or direct contact because they know they have a safe-haven at PAYPAL and that I am FORCED to respond via that communication network.  I have been forced to contact Paypal directly several times because none of the response options apply to my circumstances.

If I DON'T respond, the customer gets to keep the money withdrawn from our account, and I have also already paid my contractors to MAKE the product(s), so I take a DOUBLE-LOSS on the entire purchase simply because I am allowed NO protection from Paypal to respond fairly.

When I process a customer's CREDIT CARD payment manually through a completely separate processing service and the same scenario happens - the customer complains to their credit card company and the credit card company does NOT withdraw funds from our account and fairly sends out a notice by mail giving the seller the option to respond to the complaint within the indicated number of days.  This gives us time to respond FAIRLY to both the credit card company and the customer and then the credit card company makes a fair and final decision.

If Paypal gives the seller the option on the shopping cart to select the time-frame for completion and delivery of the order, then they MUST allow the seller the options to respond to buyers' complaints in all fairness and BEFORE immediately providing full refunds back to the customer "JUST BECAUSE THEY COMPLAINED."  This is completely un-fair to honest and hard-working small businesses like ourselves.  Because we have lost money SEVERAL times because of impatient customers who refuse to follow policies or communicate with us, we are preparing to cancel our Paypal shopping cart and go back to using a different merchant service which provides a great deal more protection for the BUYER than simply protecting the CUSTOMER with no questions asked or no fair opportunity to respond before withdrawing money from the seller's account unfairly.  You provide this service on EBAY, so why do you not also provide it for shopping cart sellers?

 

Thank you for your time and consideration.

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HappyCrafter
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I have used PayPal since I opened my online shop. I also am looking into a different payment option for my off-eBay shop. I make one of a kind handmade art and crafts and from what I read in the new SNAD policy, I have no protection from fraudulent customers who want an item, buy it through PayPal, then claim SNAD and get a refund without returning the item. I take as detailed pictures as possible and describe my work to a 't'. There is no real protection for the seller against fraud. All the buyer has to do is lie and file a SNAD and automatically get their money back. I see no options for the seller to protect themselves against this, no matter if the dispute is resolved in the seller's favor, then the buyer can dispute with their credit card and you are still out the money and PayPal charges you. All I see is PayPal has now made it easier to be scammed and stolen from and made credit card fraud easier. I refuse now to sell anything over $100 in my shop, and as of the first I will be making note of it in my shop.  Online help desk **bleep**, I tried to get clarification, the phone is a joke, being on hold forever (will they re-emburse me for time lost while waiting?), and so far I cannot find any help in clarifying WHAT EXACTLY does PayPAl do to resolve the fraudsters who do this? I see MANY posts concerning this issue, but no answers.

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kimifa
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I totally agree with you, there's not fair protection for seller. I'm having a problem also and need help from Paypal and Ebay but still no answer. Everytime I call them I just heard the same old song that you have to wait and see for the decision of his/her credit card company.

 

Of course, buyer's credit card company always favor in their customer so their customer can continue using the credit card and Seller lost the case also pay chargeback fee.

 

I had a buyer on Ebay bought me an iphone as is for $500, he received but opened a SNAD case on Ebay Resolution Center but Ebay decision is in Seller favor. That guy won't give up, he ship the box back to me with all kind of parts not the phone I shipped to him and file chargeback case with Paypal.

 

So my money was on hold in the 1 case and then released but now is on hold again for chargeback case.

 

I lost the phone now I may lost $500 plus chargeback fee. So ridiculuos, nobody helps me at all.

 

I don't know what to do because I call Ebay, they ask me call Paypal. I just go around and around Ebay then Paypal at least 10 times but still no helps at all.

 

I  paid Ebay and Paypal selling fees about $2000/month but when I'm in trouble, no helps!

 

There's no fair

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profdata
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The problem is that buyers only have 45 days from their payment date to file with Paypal if there is a problem with their order. 

 

So if they don't get their item till 7 weeks later they would not be able to file a claim with paypal

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