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Re: Multi-order Shipping & SCAN; last 2 times one ...

by SLW Contributor in Shipping (Archive)
‎Mar-22-2011 08:55 PM
‎Mar-22-2011 08:55 PM
To: postalchart_com - I understand, but it doesn't make sense to me that if the items are accepted by using a SCAN form which is for multiple shipments, it should have info for one of the two packages associated with the form, and no info for the other package scanned in on the same acceptance form. And the post office told me in both instances that their system is showing the tracking numbers is question as "INVALID". To me, this signals a problem. (This is what I would expect the system to say for a tracking number that had been assigned and later voided.)   To navikagolf and others - As an update, I was able to confirm with the P.O. that the same thing did happen with my second shipment: the second label associated with the SCAN form that said 'There is no record of this item' was also showing as INVALID in the USPS computer system. I hope this is just semantics, and that it is just their way of saying they have no record BUT - my customer hasn't received it yet, and I am worried the post office scanned it, saw it come up as INVALID and is either in the process of returning it to me (OK) or has set it aside and it is in limbo (AWFUL).   I called PayPal this morning and they are looking into it. The fellow I spoke to understood what I was telling him and was taking it very seriously. I think there is a bug in the PayPal MOS system or the USPS system with which it interfaces that would have started some time in the past week.   I went back and looked at the tracking for every single shipment I've made using a SCAN form in the last two months, and they ALL have event lines that read "Shipment Accepted...." and "Electronic Shipping Info Received..." with dates and/or times. The two shipment dates I'm having problems with, the 19th and 21st, do not include these event lines at all, even for the labels that are showing tracking info, one of which has been delivered. I don't think this is a coincidence.   Update since I wrote the above: the label the PO told me was INVALID for the second item sent the 21st is now showing tracking info as being processed through the sort facility at its destination. Still an issue that it is not recorded as being accepted when the SCAN form was presented, but otherwise great news. It makes me hopeful my first shipment will get delivered, although it should have reached its destination sort facility yesterday or early today at the latest.   When I hear back from PayPal with what they were able to determine, I will update this post. ... View more

Re: usps form 5630

by SLW Contributor in Shipping (Archive)
‎Mar-22-2011 12:49 PM
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‎Mar-22-2011 12:49 PM
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I guess I should have said: "If you mess up any of your labels, VOID those labels, print any new/replacement labels, and THEN reprint the SCAN form."   Wouldn't this mean the SCAN form would no longer pick up the bad label that was voided, and would include the new label that had been printed to replace it? If you reprinted before voiding the bad label you didn't use, the item count would also be off, which would be a tip-off that something was wrong.   I'm also under the impression that you are able to print more than one batch of labels for a specific shipment date; for example three the night before dated the next day, three the morning of mailing, and two in the afternoon of the day you will mail them, and then you should be able to go to history and print the SCAN form for that mailing date and it will say that there are eight packages associated with the SCAN form. Do you know if this is (or isn't) the way it works? I've never tried it myself. Three packages in one shipment is a great day for me!   I wish the SCAN form had an itemized listing so you could have a printed record of the tracking numbers associated with that SCAN form.   Thanks! ... View more

Re: usps form 5630

by SLW Contributor in Shipping (Archive)
‎Mar-22-2011 01:59 AM
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My input after reading all the previous posts and based on my interactions with the local branch of my PO and my carrier:   In multi-order shipping, you need to print the SCAN form BEFORE you print the labels. That's why that button is first!   From what I read in other posts, if you forget to print the SCAN form before the labels, you should be able to print it from the "History" section. Needs to be done same day of course, since only good for one day.   If you mess up any labels and don't use them, throw out your original SCAN form, because it won't match up with the actual packages mailed. I think this is where reprinting the SCAN form really comes in handy.   I believe you can probably print labels several times in one day without the scan form, and then when you're done printing ALL labels for items to be mailed in one batch for that mailing date, you could go in to history and print a SCAN form that would capture all of those packages. The number of packages on the SCAN form must match the number of packages handed over to your carrier or the counter clerk.   The post office doesn't refuse to ACCEPT packages if you don't give them a SCAN form, they just (often) refuse to scan in multiple prepaid items and give you a receipt proving they're now in the hands of the USPS. If you put them in a dropbox, or just give them to the counter person they won't  get scanned into the system until they reach 1) the sort facility  (which usually isn't the local branch where you dropped them off) 2) the delivery facility and 3) upon delivery by the carrier with their little scanner.  Ideally, they're scanned at each of these steps, but sometimes they're not scanned until the carrier delivers it. They say this is acceptable because it's called 'DELIVERY Confirmation', but I think that's bogus, because it's also called 'TRACKING' so you can track it along the way.   At my local branch I was told they can refuse to scan in multiple packages individually because they are individual profit centers and if you have prepaid the postage online, they get no credit for the sale, but they still have the work of scanning in multiple packages. I'm working hard at not going off on a rant at what lousy customer service this is, and since they offer the SCAN form as an alternative, I can understand their point. (Unfortunately, the woman at the PO giving me a hard time about scanning in my multiple items never even told me a SCAN form existed, so shame on her OR the poor training she was given by the PO).   The reason having your items scanned when you take them to the PO or give them to your carrier is to protect YOU and get proof that they are in the system so that if they are later lost or not delivered, you have proof that it was lost after it entered the system, otherwise they'll question whether or not you really mailed it. You will never have this proof if you put your items in a dropbox, or hand them to a carrier, or a counter clerk without having them scanned. I asked the clerk at my local branch what happens if I pay for insurance online, and then put it in the drop box but it gets lost or pilfered before it is scanned into the system and she said, "You're up a creek without a paddle."  She was nice enough to scan in my individual packages three or four times when I first began selling, but gave me a progressively harder time about it each time. That's when I went online and researched it and found out about the SCAN form myself. And think about it from the USPS viewpoint: of course they won't honor an insurance claim for something where the postage and insurance were paid for online: a dishonest person could process a shipment online for a large dollar amount, insure it, never mail it, and then claim it was lost so they could collect the insurance. Forget that it would be mail fraud and you'd probably end up in federal prison... that wouldn't stop some folks from trying!   I think I'm done! I have spent a lot of time on this issue since I began selling online a few months ago. I have learned that many employees at the post office have no clue when it comes to how online shipping works. They are not given training about how it works. The first time I asked my mail carrier to scan the SCAN form, she had no clue what I was talking about and said she'd never been asked to do it before. We muddled through together and it worked fine. (Please note, if you have your carrier scan it, the information will not show up in the system until much later in the day after they've returned to the PO and downloaded the information in their scanner into the system.) She's a great carrier, and laughed about it saying, "Look at you having to teach me how to do my job!" ... View more

Multi-order Shipping & SCAN; last 2 times one of t...

by SLW Contributor in Shipping (Archive)
‎Mar-22-2011 01:00 AM
‎Mar-22-2011 01:00 AM
I've been using Multi-Order Shipping (MOS) for two months, printing and taking the SCAN form to the post office so I have proof that my items made it into the US Postal System. On Saturday I shipped two items. When I checked Tracking today (Monday), one of the items said "There is no record of this item". The other item was at its destination city and out for delivery. Worried that two days later there was no tracking for one of my items, I took my SCAN form and receipts to the PO when I mailed another batch of two items today. The postal clerk went out back and came back and said that the delivery confirmation number on the one package was showing in their system as invalid, and that their system did show that a SCAN form for two packages had been processed Saturday, but he was unable to figure out how to tell the delivery confirmation numbers associated with the SCAN form. (There has to be a way the USPS has this information. He said the desk people aren't really trained in how the system works...).   Anyway, the same thing now appears to be happening with the shipment I mailed today. Eight hours later, Track and Confirm shows one item being processed through the facility, and the other says "There is no record of this item".  There was nothing out of the ordinary with any of these shipments, either days. The SCAN form and labels printed fine; nothing was voided or reprinted. Since it just happened the last two days, I'm worried that there's a bug in the system, and it also bothers me that to my customers it looks like I printed the label, but didn't really mail their item yet.   Has anyone else had the same problem?   PayPal, do you know if there is a bug in the MOS tool that is causing this? My PayPal records indicate that these orders are shipped and complete, and I was charged for the postage. ... View more

Re: Shipping label void / cancellation has been de...

by SLW Contributor in Shipping (Archive)
‎Mar-22-2011 12:28 AM
‎Mar-22-2011 12:28 AM
Hi - This is just my "guess" about what happened to you: When you pay for and print your labels, you first get a message saying that it is obtaining the confirmation numbers, which are very distinct.   If you then print a SCAN form, behind-the-scenes, it associates these exact delivery confirmation numbers with the specific SCAN form.   Once you printed your original labels, you probably hit the button saying all your labels were good, which I'm guessing locks in the association between the delivery confirmation numbers on the labels, and the number on the scan form. If you then void one of the labels/confirmation numbers and print and pay for a new label, but don't reprint a corrected SCAN form, the system wouldn't have any way of knowing that. When you present the SCAN form at the PO, they have no way of knowing that you'd swapped out one of the items. It also means the SCAN form didn't really log in the replaced item, although it most likely showed up in Track and Confirm once it went through processing in the city where you mailed it, or at a minimum, when it was delivered, since it was printed and paid for separately and was a legitimate number.   I just read in another post that if you forget to print the SCAN form, you can reprint it by going into history for that date. I never knew that before, but I'm guessing that this is what might have worked to correct the associations in your situation. I'm also thinking that might be the thing to do if you do multiple batches of labels in one day, say for a last-minute order, and then want to have a single SCAN form to take to the PO or present to your carrier, which they prefer. SCAN forms are only good for the date of mailing any way, so the only time it makes sense to reprint one is on the same day you're mailing the items.   This is just me trying to think through how the system must work. Hope it helps, and if anyone else knows anything different, I wouldn't mind learning!      ... View more

Re: Scan form

by SLW Contributor in Shipping (Archive)
‎Mar-21-2011 11:50 PM
‎Mar-21-2011 11:50 PM
I did not know you could reprint the SCAN form if you forgot and printed your labels first. This is good to know! Thanks! ... View more

Re: Will Paypal Ever fix the Multi-Order Shipping ...

by SLW Contributor in Shipping (Archive)
‎Mar-21-2011 11:41 PM
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‎Mar-21-2011 11:41 PM
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I am a small seller on a site other than eBay, only shipping maybe half a dozen packages a week, two or three at a time, and even I agree that this is a BIG TIME-CONSUMING PROBLEM!! It is the sellers that pay the fees to PayPal, not the buyers, so the sellers deserve better support. If it's not easy or possible to change MOS, at least implement DryFur's excellent suggestion that in PayPal's overview it is possible to checkmark all orders for which a packing list is desired, and then hit a "PRINT PACKING LISTS FOR ALL CHECKED ORDERS" button.  Model it after the Watch List programming in eBay, where you checkmark every item you want and then click one of several different action buttons depending on whether you want to delete it or add a note... whatever.   PayPal, you have more money than God; spend some of it on programming updates to help the sellers who pay you save valuable time. The less time I have to spend printing packing lists, the more time I can spend taking pictures of items to sell, so I can sell more and make you MORE money in fees!   MOS is a necessity because of the SCAN form. If printing accurate packing lists needs to be done separately, at least make it an EASY additional step. ... View more

Re: Multi-Order SCAN form USPS?

by SLW Contributor in Shipping (Archive)
‎Mar-21-2011 11:15 PM
‎Mar-21-2011 11:15 PM
I should have mentioned in my first reply that I log into PayPal to do my shipping, and I click on the Multi-Order shipping, which is a different site. I'm not sure if there's a way you can change something in PP so that when you link from eBay it will know that you want Multi-Order Shipping to be your default. My customers automatically get emails from payPal with tracking information, whereas yours probably gets an email from eBay since you initiated it from eBay instead of PP. ... View more

Re: Multi-Order SCAN form USPS?

by SLW Contributor in Shipping (Archive)
‎Mar-21-2011 11:09 PM
‎Mar-21-2011 11:09 PM
Hi - I had the same problem at my post office where they were giving me a rough time about scanning prepaid postage items into the system. They told me that because each branch is an individual profit center, there's nothing in it for them since I already paid online. (Lousy customer service if you ask me, and they never even told me that there's such a thing as a SCAN form - I had to figure that out on my own.) Anyway, enough venting...   To answer your question, yes, you need to buy and print your postage labels through PayPal's multi-order shipping tool, even if you're only shipping ONE item, in order for the SCAN form button to be available, and you must print the SCAN form BEFORE you print your labels. I found this out by trial and error. I actually like the multi-order shipping tool a lot. I sell on a different site from eBay, but I only accept PayPal, and all the order information is there. I print out a packing slip for each order from the individual transaction details, and then I do my labels. I refer to the packing slip so I know what information I need to enter when purchasing insurance.   Hope this helps! SW ... View more
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