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Re: Next step after Paypal completely screws up cl...

by temp201811162d Contributor in About Protections
‎Jan-20-2017 04:56 AM
‎Jan-20-2017 04:56 AM
I've calmed down and reluctantly admitted to myself that I'll never get anywhere with Paypal, so I'm pretty much done with this.   I wish Paypal would just drop the whole illusion of having a "claim/dispute investigation" process, when it doesn't really exist beyond checking a tracking number. Oh sure, they sit on a claim for a while so it looks like someone at Paypal is busy "investigating", but it's become clear through various threads on this discussion site that nobody at Paypal really investigates anything. I wish they would drop the charade, drop the phony requirements for a claim, and just tell buyers they can return anything for any reason...because they can. If they don't have a reason, they can just make something up.   I appreciate the feedback. ... View more

Re: Next step after Paypal completely screws up cl...

by temp201811162d Contributor in About Protections
‎Jan-19-2017 04:13 PM
‎Jan-19-2017 04:13 PM
Apparently you missed the part where I said I took a video of me opening the returned package and running the camera through its functions, to prove that it was not "defective" and that it was exactly as described. That's just a little bit more solid than "submitted unverified statements". ... View more

Re: Next step after Paypal completely screws up cl...

by temp201811162d Contributor in About Protections
‎Jan-19-2017 04:10 PM
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"...after you refused to resolve the issue with a permitted return". You mean after I refused to accept buyer's remorse as a valid reason to take the camera back? There's a reason why ebay doesn't even consider buyer's remorse to be a valid reason to request a return. Paypal, on the other hand, doesn't care - just file a claim and say the item is defective, and Paypal will go with that, case closed.   "When a seller refused to resolve an issue, the buyer then has no other options except to pursue the claim" Or the buyer can accept some personal responsibility for jumping on an auction because he sees a money-maker, and then changing his mind about it.   "There are risks when it comes to selling online" Like using services such as Paypal? I agree. And before you tell me to delete my Paypal account, I buy a lot on ebay and I can't remember a single auction that didn't require Paypal as payment. I'm not a business, I'm a regular ebay user who occasionally sells something I no longer need. ... View more

Re: Next step after Paypal completely screws up cl...

by temp201811162d Contributor in About Protections
‎Jan-19-2017 03:59 PM
‎Jan-19-2017 03:59 PM
"Item not as described trumps seller policy !"   That's the point - the item was exactly as described, and if an actual Paypal human would look at my evidence they would see it was a fraudulent claim. What's the point of having a claims process when there's no investigation beyond checking a tracking number?   Oddly enough, this buyer is an ebay reseller and has a "no returns" policy, too. ... View more

Re: Next step after Paypal completely screws up cl...

by temp201811162d Contributor in About Protections
‎Jan-19-2017 03:53 PM
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‎Jan-19-2017 03:53 PM
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"Just relist"....really? You think account holders should just put up with treatment like this? I've been on ebay for 17 years and have 100% positive feedback. That's part of my issue with being treated like this by Paypal. No, I shouldn't "just relist" - there should be some accountability for Paypal. ... View more

Re: Next step after Paypal completely screws up cl...

by temp201811162d Contributor in About Protections
‎Jan-19-2017 03:32 PM
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‎Jan-19-2017 03:32 PM
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The buyer's contact with me was through an ebay dispute, where he said the camera "wasn't to his expectations" (otherwise known as buyer's remorse), and that the lens was scratched, which is patently untrue. I have a "no returns" policy expressly to avoid "buyer's remorse" nonsense, and I provide high resolution photos of anything I sell, along with a lengthy detailed description. There are no surprises.   I didn't have time to resolve anything - he went straight from ebay disputes to a Paypal dispute to a Paypal claim, with completely untrue allegations which I have proven 100% (with photos and video) to be untrue. The problem is that nobody at Paypal seems to care about my proof that his claim was fraudulent.   When Paypal takes the time to list requirements for a valid claim, and then doesn't even follow their own requirements in validating or invalidating a claim, what does that tell an account holder? ... View more

Next step after Paypal completely screws up claim ...

by temp201811162d Contributor in About Protections
‎Jan-19-2017 03:04 PM
‎Jan-19-2017 03:04 PM
Quick history: I sold a camera on ebay, listed and described as used, with minor signs of scuffs etc, which had no effect on the camera's functionality. My auction included high resolution photos, too. The buyer bought it within hours of my listing it because I listed it cheaper than other sellers. The buyer is a reseller who saw a money-maker.   The buyer filed an ebay dispute, then went to Paypal with a dispute, then escalated it to a claim, saying that the camera was "significantly not as described" (untrue), then that changed to "defective" (untrue), then it changed to "does not function as described" (untrue). None of these are true, and his claim didn't meet a single one of Paypal's requirements for a valid claim. In fact, he met every single Paypal requirement that makes a claim INvalid.   Paypal said they "investigated" the claim, and decided in the buyer's favor, but didn't have a single piece of evidence other than the buyer's false claim. How can an "investigation" happen when one side isn't questioned and no evidence is presented?   Anyway, I got the camera back from the buyer, and took a video of me opening the box and running the camera through its functions, proving that the claim was fraudulent. Paypal doesn't care and won't even look at the video. Then I sent screen shots of various parts of the video, since they won't look at the video itself, and they still don't care - even with photographic proof that the buyer's claim was fraudulent.   It's obvious that nobody investigated anything, and Paypal just took the easy way out and refunded the buyer. What is my recourse? ... View more
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