illegal counterfeit products

[Anonymous_User]

First time I purchased an item through PayPal. Unless Ipay shipping for an fraud items I will not recieve my refund. I just love how PayPal is okay with this. Has this happened to anyone else. I'm seeking legal action on this. I have saved every email and notice from seller and PayPal. The way the professional PayPal rep explained it to me. If you purchased an item you would have to drive back to the store to return it. Yiu wouldn't be refunded for gas. Last I checked the Mike's I bought at the Nike store were not fakes. The food I bought at the grocery store was real food. If I for some reason bought fake HydroFlask at Tillys Dickies Sporting Goods the police dept would be in that. So why is this okay. So if anyone has has this issue please post your stories and if PayPal ever fixed the issue. Buyers need to let them k ow this is not okay. Policy is one thing till they break our laws! Oh and PayPal I would.love to hear from you. You won't find my transaction on this account. I made the purchase as a guest. I made this account to get help and Paypal did nothing but tell me I was wrong. So please any PayPal rep please tell me how the seller is allowed to do this. Please explain why you dont investigate this. Please explain how you take priority over fraud scamming sellers. Even after I contacted the HydroFlask company and they said PayPal knows about fraud sellers and they will take care if this. Yep they take care of things okay right in the sellers favour. I will never use PayPal for anything other then what I am doing now. Trying to find out what is wrong with this messed up policy you claim is fair.

[kernowlass]

@Anonymous_User 

The onus is on your to provide written proof the item is fake DURING the claim process.

That proof can be got from trading standards / or a seller or company that makes the genuine item.

If all a buyer had to do was say an items fake to get a refund without any proof then every buyer wanting a refund would do that wouldn't they.

Also whilst its against the law to sell fakes in many countries it is NOT against the law to sell fakes in China or various parts of Asia.

So if that seller wants the item back then you have to send it back fake or not. 

[Anonymous_User]

Reg it's legal in China to sell fakes. That maybe tru in China. It is however illegal to sell and send fakes to the USA. As for proving they are fakes paypal didn't give me that option at all. When I question it while on the phone with the rep. They could careless reg the issue and I was told it dosent matter. So yes I have been talking to a few legal personal. So for those that are okay I hope you dont get sold a fake along the way.

[Anonymous_User]

It is illegal to sell to someone in the USA Google it. Look up laws.

[kernowlass]

@Anonymous_User 

Yes if the seller is in the US as well.

Its not illegal to sell them in China, so if you think its illegal in the US for them to send the fake to you then what legal action do you think a US lawyer can take against a Chinese seller. Does your little item warrant an international legal suit? If so then i hope you are a millionaire.     

[Anonymous_User]

I'm sorry please go back and read the laws and constitution. That's if your a US citizen. If not dont talk to me. If you are okay with illegal activity dont talk to me. If you sell fakes dont talk to me. If you are going to side with illegal foreign activity go support them else where. AND DON'T TALK TO ME....

[kernowlass]

@Anonymous_User 

I will post as many times as i wish to and reply to you as many times as i wish to.

I do not care about US law as it DOES NOT APPLY to a seller or merchant in CHINA.

If you are right then go get the Chinese merchant arrested and charged then. ......   🤣

[TSwit]

No, we will just us the US banking system to seize our funds from future US transactions. We will educate others to do the same. We will also utilize the US federal government to seize your us assets. It happens all the time PayPal and US banks have to hold your transactions for 30+ days for this very reason

[kernowlass]

@TSwit 

Think you missed the point, the original poster was complaining about a paypal dispute where they were told to return a fake item back to the seller for a paypal claim refund.

They didn't want to return said item because it was FAKE but I said that unless you prove to paypal that it is fake then you have to return it for a refund.

Also in some countries fakes are allowed to be sold.

I am always advising folks to chargeback via their banks or card issuers if they lose a paypal dispute BUT that was not the question. The question was about paypals requirement to return the goods back to the seller before being refunded for a paypal claim.

Personally I always fund my paypal payments via a credit card for this very reason so IF a paypal claim fails I have back up but that is not what this thread was about.

[TSwit]

Dispute the transaction with Visa and MasterCard and they will tell PayPal to pay up who will seize the funds from the merchant according to US law. Done. Just did it. Didn’t need PayPal. I went to my bank. PayPal can shove it up their **bleep**. Bank said to ignore return item notices and throw item in trash. My refund is permanent.