Paypal Working Capital --- Online Application Not Working

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Anyone else having a problem with the Paypal Working Capital online application not working.  I have filled out the form completely only to click the "View my offer" button to be told that I need to fill out the form completely.  I am completely dumbfounded by this as I am an IT person by profession and Paypal won't return any of my requests for help with this issue.

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2010sinclair
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Smart👍
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2010sinclair
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Looking forward to speaking with you .
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carolinahorse
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My level of frustration is truly astronomical. Just finished my 4th working capital loan. All have been paid in less than 100 days with the most recent one paid off in 85 days for $21,000.  We do a high volume business that is consistent and has shown nothing but growth month after month. You could have knocked me over with a feather when I applied for the 5th loan today and was denied with an error code 640.  I called.  Rep could not have been any nicer and went back through my account. I had a chargeback in April (and I rarely get a claim/dispute - when I do, it is resolved in my favor) that put my account in the negative $137 for a matter of HOURS.  We do thousands upon thousands of dollars in business per week.  This person just happened to file in the late evening after I had triggered my daily deposit.  Literally it was negative four a few HOURS.  So because of this, the hundreds of thousands of dollars that have gone through PayPal since January apparently don't matter - this is the basis for denial.  I really cannot wrap my head around it. I understand there is an algorithm. I just can't fathom how there is no ability to manually override anything when a brief glance should make it pretty clear how ridiculous this is.  I have benefitted greatly from working capital and to say I am disappointed would be an understatement. Working capital is most useful if you can access it when it is needed, not have to play a lottery and hope you hit the algorithm just right to access funds.  She told me to just keep trying - that the computer checks through thousands of variables and it may miss one time or another and I'll be approved.  Seriously?  I have an event this weekend so working capital would be most beneficial now to expand offerings but that apparently won't be happening.  I have loved using the working capital and certainly appreciated it, however, I'm a pretty strong PayPal customer and this really does feel like a slap in the face. Extremely disappointed. 

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I'm not sure if somebody from Paypal reads these postings. It would be great if they do because they would be able to fix some pitafflas they are doing with Working Capital. We all know small companies are often rejected by banks when applying for loans nad Paypal offers a great solution but should make some important modifications to the program. Since probably the majority of the applications are granted, rejections can be dealt by a small Paypal staff on  case by case basis. For instante in the case of CarolinaHorse (previous post) who was supposely denied for having had a chargeback,  a red flag could be sent to an risk analyst. That analyst could easly find out that the chargeback was an exception (meaning few chargebacks compared to transactions' volume), eventually email or phone her and perform a due diligence as a way to make a human decision to denied or approve the cash advance. In my case there were two reaosn for rejection: 1) a temporary limitation of the account during a few hours due to the fact that I was operating from an IP in Germany instead of operating form my usual IP in my country of residence. Besides having prove my identity in matter fo hours and limitation was over, I could have explained the analyst that I was a director of a Fine Art Biennial in Berlin and therefore operating from there in Paypal transactions; 2) having had more refunds than usual in the last months. When talking to a Paypal representatiuve she had the ocassion to confirm that in all cases refunds were done when a duplicated payment was performed by the buyer indicating an error immediately and honestly solved by us (our buyers have to upload large files in the same payment form and sometimes by being unseccesful in the upload they believe the payment wasn't done and pay again for the same service; we noted that and make a refund. But in both cases by not sending a notice to an analyst and relaying in an algorythm there's no way no understand what is actually going on. Until they do not solve this problem by having analysts studying cases automatically rejected by the computer, and deciding on a manual basis (probably the majority will be right rejections and the analysis will be very fast, other will be subject to manual analysis and approved). A risk analysis computerized system has two problems: it is usually done by programmers who do not necessarily understand risk analysis neither can understand how a Paypal seller works, and can't make decissions based on inteligent analysis such as why an account was limitated for x hours, or why there was a charge back or a transitory small negative balance, or stationary sales, or refunds done my mistake of the buyer rather that refunds based in claims for defective service or goods. Dear Paypal: if you're reading this, please evaluate all the discontent from customers that are main drivers to make your business profitable, listen to the experience of those who are in the field, and never leave 100% of the decission in the hands of a computerized business. Please also modify your Customer Service representatives, so they can be able to stop telling people 'keep applying' and escalate our claims to risk analysts and then come back to us. 

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jfh747
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Again I ask readers to apologyze me for the typos of the previous post. Writing in my iPhone is not my thing... and English is my second language.. so the result can be uggly 😞

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carolinahorse
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Also interesting to me is that this brief negative account balance (hours) happened in April.  The loan I just finished paying off was issued in May.  I really just do not understand.  Why wouldn't it have triggered a denial in May if that was the case?  It is frustrating.  I appreciate the ability to use the working capital in the past but if you can't access it when you have a great opportunity available, it isn't quite as helpful.  It does feel like a slap in the face. With what we pay in fees yearly to PayPal (over $10,000 in fees so far this year) it makes you feel like your business really doesn't mean much.  This clearly is an issue that is rather widespread - why not address it?

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rt2013
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I've had error 640 for three months now, I had a negative balance for a few hours because of a case that was opened. I honestly think this is an error in their algorithm. This was my 7th loan (all high value). I'll post back here if I ever get approved, please do the same.

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Hi gang, I just received a Working Capital loan and wanted to provide some insight. This was my fourth loan. I was approved for 95k (though I didn't take it all)... my last loan was paid off earlier this week. It was for 70k and I paid it off in less than 9 months. I had contemplated paying it off in a lump sum a month or two ago but stumbled across this thread and became worried that perhaps early pay-offs in lump sums were triggering denials. I waited it out, paid the last loan off completely through sales, and reapplied a few days after payoff. I was offered the maximum (95k) on my first attempt. It's worth noting: I do have one open case. I've been a heavy PayPal user for 3-4 years now and have only had a handful of disputes. They are all for relatively small amounts (the current one is for $79) and I contest them all. I typically lose because PayPal's protection of digital products is tragically weak, but I counter the disputes nonetheless because they've never once been valid. But that single open case didn't pose a problem for me. I had noticed speculation earlier in the thread that it might be the root of the problem, though it didn't seem to be problematic in this instance. So it appears that there is still money to be lent. I think the linchpin is the early pay-offs. I'm not sure why those are frowned upon, but it seems to be the common thread for many of the denials I see. I do process a high volume of transactions and enjoy a steady volume of sales. That is a blessing and I think it goes a long way with the Working Capital algorithm. Best of luck to each of you. I hope something in there helps clarify at least a piece of the mystery. I know how maddening funding struggles can be and I'm crossing my fingers that you get offers soon!
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carolinahorse
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@LBar Congratulations! That is wonderful news to hear. In my case, I know there wasn't a lump sum payoff so that's not what is at play. I have done a lump sum on 2 of the prior loans and the only thing I noticed was that my offer was lower on the heels of doing so but still capital was offered. By the numbers, I should qualify for the maximum capital loan with ease, we have steady high volume sales, handful of cases/disputes that are typically for small amounts and very very rarely not decided in our favor, etc. If it is in fact a negative balance of 13something dollars that was in play for a matter of hours (dispute after nightly deposit sent) back in April, I am mystified as to why I had no trouble getting the loan in May but now cannot. Scratching my head and still truly just can't grasp it.
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carolinahorse
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@rt2013 that is exactly what seems to be going on with me and my fear is that this will drag on for months with me too which is most unfortunate. It just defies logic. Anybody can file a dispute for literally ANYTHING - the validity when they file has no bearing - they file, PayPal pulls the funds. If they do this after the nightly deposit, of course it could drop you into the negative. Doesn't matter when the dispute is baseless and decided in your favor and funds are returned. Doesn't matter that a ridiculously small negative balance was in play for hours and is quickly overshadowed by hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue. Just mind boggling. I wish you luck and please do post if it does happen to change for you as it would appear you and I are facing identical circumstances. I will definitely post should something change on my end. It would be awesome if PayPal would take note of these things.
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