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Re: Significantly Not As Described return for refu...

by BINOVC Contributor in eBay and PayPal (Archive)
‎May-12-2010 07:32 AM
‎May-12-2010 07:32 AM
ijuinkun - I think SNAD should remain defined as it is.  However, being SNAD, the buyer should simply not be held accountable for any cost associated with the transaction.  Also SNAD is not always a fraudulent scenario.  Sometimes the seller actually makes a mistake.  This is not to say they should be relieved of their responsibility to accurately and correctly describe the item however, including having to pay the shipping for the return if they do **bleep** up.  A "buyers remorse" situation presumes that the seller DID do their job to adequately describe the item, and the buyer simply didn't like what they received.  This could happen due to the seller omitting a complete description, but if that were the case the buyer must ask questions before committing to the purchase.  If the description is for "a pretty green dress" and nothing else, one might want to ask a few questions first. Fraud becomes a little tougher scenario.  How can you tell if the buyer damaged the item after receiving it, and wants to get a refund?  If I sell something, I will try to carefully document the item before I ship it - but there's only so much you can do to protect yourself.  If someone really wants to **bleep** you, they probably already know how to get away with it. ... View more

Re: Significantly Not As Described return for refu...

by BINOVC Contributor in eBay and PayPal (Archive)
‎May-06-2010 12:22 PM
‎May-06-2010 12:22 PM
Apparently FERD has never received a Significantly Not As Described item.  Or if he has, he must have been completely happy paying the shipping costs (or just keeping the item).  I don't know what school of fairness he's from.  It certainly isn't the one I learned at, where I was taught to take responsibility for my mistakes. I'm sure his points about paypal having to follow the law are probably correct, and quite possibly paypal has no choice in their SNAD shipping policies.  However it is also true that responsible sellers DO agree to refund the item plus shipping cost (both ways) if they mistakenly send the incorrect item.  This happend to me twice in succession now.  The items were clearly not what the seller described, and both sellers quickly sent me return shipping labels.  One then refunded my auction, the other sent the correct item.  Both items were "free shipping", so that was included in the refund. This of course does not address "bad" sellers or buyers who take advantage of the current policies and try to **bleep** you.  I've had this happen as well.  Although paypal did not require the seller to refund my shipping cost, paypal did refund me.  I'm thinking that I've been lucky so far, reading some of the horror stories in this thread. ... View more

Re: Significantly Not As Described return for refu...

by BINOVC Contributor in eBay and PayPal (Archive)
‎Feb-05-2010 08:25 AM
‎Feb-05-2010 08:25 AM
I reported the item that I mentioned above.  Hopefully ebay will take action before somebody buys another SNAD.  I contacted Garmin and they confirmed that the box would have "Quest 2" printed on it.  I advised the seller, but he so far refuses to edit the auction.  I provided this seller strong evidence that he's misrepresenting the item.  Instead he refers to a note on his auction page: ATTENTION BIDDERS: The only information we have about this item is from the item itself. If you would like additional information please contact the manufacturer or do an internet search.  THIS IS NEW IN BOX WORKING   ... View more

Re: Significantly Not As Described return for refu...

by BINOVC Contributor in eBay and PayPal (Archive)
‎Feb-04-2010 10:47 AM
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‎Feb-04-2010 10:47 AM
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My seller just emailed me that they are sending me a prepaid shipping label!  Faith in humanity restored again! ... View more

Re: Significantly Not As Described return for refu...

by BINOVC Contributor in eBay and PayPal (Archive)
‎Feb-03-2010 11:02 AM
‎Feb-03-2010 11:02 AM
I do a bit of buying, not much selling.  I have had to file 2 SNAD claims (both in my favor, and legit claims - not buyers remorse).  A 3rd issue was resolved by the seller refunding my money and not wanting the item returned (a cheap am/fm radio that was DOA).  On both SNAD claims, paypal did not require the sellers to reimburse my return shipping cost, but paypal reimbursed me anyway.  I don't know if pp later went back to the sellers or not, probably not.  Both sellers seemed totally unable to comprehend my viewpoint that I should not have to pay for their mistakes. I currently am involved with yet another SNAD.  I purchased a GPS that was was listed as one model, and they sent me a significantly less capable model.  The described model (Garmin Quest 2) comes fully pre-loaded with detail mapping of the entire USA.  The lesser model that I received (Garmin Quest) has NO pre-loaded detail maps, and only has enough internal memory for the user to store about 3 or 4 states at a time.  That's a huge difference in internal memory.  I've done my research, and would not have purchased it had I any suspicion that it was the lesser model. I emailed them immediately about the mistake, explained the difference, and requested that they reimburse me for return shipping cost since the mistake was entirely theirs.  4 days later they reply with return instructions, never mentioning my request.  I replied back, somewhat more forcefully, asking that they not hide behind their "fine print" and to take responsibility for their own mistakes.  No reply yet.  Yes, the auction page does state that they do not pay return shipping - but I trusted them to send me what was listed.  They should make allowances for a mistake that was clearly their fault.  I advised them that if they don't do the right thing, I will file a claim.  I know that pp policy does not reimburse buyer for return shipping cost, but I must make the attempt.  I will definitely complain to pp (again) about this policy, and will give the seller a neg (if they don't come through), even though technically they are following their printed procedure. I realize there is a small difference between the names of these two models, but there is a big difference in the functionality.  It's up to the seller however to get it right. There is another seller currently doing the exact same thing.  This one has an actual photo unlike the "stock image" of the one I bought.  I have repeatedly emailed this seller to confirm which model this is because it appears that the picture is a Quest, not a Quest 2.  He seems unable to figure it out, even though the name "Quest" or "Quest 2" is printed right on the face of the unit (the picture is only of the box).  I have asked him to be sure of which model so as to avoid having an irate buyer.  He thanked me, yet the auction continues (250573306760)... I would like to see a website dedicated to listing buyers and sellers - like the Better Business Bureau - with details about both the good but especially the bad experiences, with the ability to include email exchanges, rebuttals, etc.  I suppose that would be corrupted and abused into worthlessness as well however.  Too bad the ebay feedback area does not allow much room to write in details. I also sympathize with sellers that must deal with bad buyers.  Too bad we can't all just get along and be responsible. ... View more
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