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Re: JINZHOU NETWORK TECHNOLOGY CO., LIMITED. PayPa...

by Temp20201125g Contributor in Security and Fraud Archives
‎Nov-25-2020 09:16 AM
‎Nov-25-2020 09:16 AM
Complain to your Bank not the Police   The Police can't do anything but your bank will probably refund your money   My bank refunded mine with 24 hours of making a complaint ... View more

Re: JINZHOU NETWORK TECHNOLOGY CO., LIMITED. PayPa...

by Temp20201125g Contributor in Security and Fraud Archives
‎Nov-25-2020 09:12 AM
‎Nov-25-2020 09:12 AM
Anyone who gets scammed like this should make a complaint to the bank that issued their credit or debit card.   I did and my bank refunded the money to me within 24 hours.   Your transaction is with PayPal not the scammer.   PayPal then had a transaction with the scammer - not you.   Debit and Credit Card payments for goods or services paid for over the Internet or phone are protected by Law in most Countries.   Just Google for "Distance Selling Regulations" ... View more

Re: JINZHOU NETWORK TECHNOLOGY CO., LIMITED. PayPa...

by Temp20201125g Contributor in Security and Fraud Archives
‎Nov-25-2020 09:06 AM
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‎Nov-25-2020 09:06 AM
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Make a complaint to the bank that issued your credit or debit card and they should refund you.   You are protected when buying goods or services over the Internet or phone.   Its called "Distance Selling Regulations.   You paid PayPal, then PayPal paid the fraudster - your transaction is with PayPal not the scammer.   I complained to my Bank (NatWest) and they refunded all my money within 24 hours.   They take the money back off PayPal so it's PayPal that looses the money not you.   Please pass this information on when you have had a refund   Good Luck ... View more

Re: Another China Scam ysole Co., Ltd

by Temp20201125g Contributor in Security and Fraud Archives
‎Nov-22-2020 04:14 PM
‎Nov-22-2020 04:14 PM
PayPal's messaging system is blocking me from posting this message to other threads so perhaps other members could try to re-post it please. ... View more

Re: Another China Scam ysole Co., Ltd

by Temp20201125g Contributor in Security and Fraud Archives
‎Nov-22-2020 03:42 PM
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‎Nov-22-2020 03:42 PM
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Just to clarify one point - you make a claim to PayPal first because you have paid PayPal and they have paid the scammer, you have not paid the scammer, so your complaint is about a PayPal transaction/purchase.   Once PayPal fail to refund your money you can then make a complaint to the Company or Bank that issued your Credit or Debit card in order to get a refund. ... View more

Re: Another China Scam ysole Co., Ltd

by Temp20201125g Contributor in Security and Fraud Archives
‎Nov-22-2020 03:25 PM
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‎Nov-22-2020 03:25 PM
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I have been a fraud investigator for more than 25 years and have worked with Police in many Countries.   This is an old and classic fraud - defraud multiple people for relatively small amounts of money and make sure that the victims are in a different Country.   Any victims who complain to their local Police will not have their case investigated because it is beyond the scope and resources for their local Police.   The solution to this type of fraud is simple - Everyone who is a victim should start a claim with PayPal - when they get to the stage of PayPal saying send the item back (at a cost of more that the loss) for a "refund", each victim should file a complaint with the Company or Bank that issued their Credit or Debit card.   Most Countries have some form of "Distance Selling Laws" which protect Credit or Debit Card payments for goods over the Internet or phone - If the goods or services are not as described or do not arrive the buyer is protected by Law.   The Company/Bank that issued the Credit or Debit card will make a "charge back" against PayPal - that means that they refund the transaction to the victim and claim the money back from PayPal. This is a very standard and common banking transaction.   PayPal then become the "victim" of the fraud - only once PayPal's losses increase will they take action against the scammers and reverse the transactions from the scammers bank accounts back to PayPal.   If everyone who is a victim of this type of fraud does this, they will get a refund and the scammers may well end up being subject to a police complaint made by PayPal.   This scam is probably operated by a small group of criminals who change their email and company names on a regular basis to attempt to avoid detection & prosecution.   If we all work together we can get them prosecuted and get our money back.   If you agree with what I am suggesting please re-post this advice to any other discussion about this type of scam.   Good luck everybody.  ... View more

Re: Another China Scam ysole Co., Ltd

by Temp20201125g Contributor in Security and Fraud Archives
‎Nov-22-2020 12:09 PM
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‎Nov-22-2020 12:09 PM
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After waiting 2 months for PayPal to "Investigate" I contacted my UK bank who issued my credit card. They emailed me a link to an online form asking how much the transaction was for and when and to give an explanation of the scam. They refunded all my money within 24 hours 10/10 to my bank 0/10 to PayPal   The thing I find funny about the result is that my bank have claimed the money back from PayPal so it's PayPal who have now lost money to the scammer ... View more

Re: Another China Scam ysole Co., Ltd now known as...

by Temp20201125g Contributor in Security and Fraud Archives
‎Nov-21-2020 04:04 AM
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‎Nov-21-2020 04:04 AM
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I just uploaded a message to PayPal to say that they were useless and that my bank had refunded my money using the "Upload Tracking Information" page and got an automated response that they had forwarded my tracking information to "Wuhan Yizong Network Technology Co., Ltd" so Ysole Co Ltd may have changed their trading name - beware!! ... View more

Re: Another China Scam ysole Co., Ltd

by Temp20201125g Contributor in Security and Fraud Archives
‎Nov-18-2020 11:56 AM
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‎Nov-18-2020 11:56 AM
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UPDATE   My bank just refunded all my money which is great news.   So my bank will have reversed the payment from my account to PayPal, so now PayPal have lost money to Ysole Co. Ltd not me !   Well done PayPal, what a great way for PayPal to do business      ... View more

Re: Another China Scam ysole Co., Ltd

by Temp20201125g Contributor in Security and Fraud Archives
‎Nov-18-2020 09:47 AM
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‎Nov-18-2020 09:47 AM
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Thank you for the advice - I have made a complaint   Complaint Confirmation YOUR COMPLAINT WAS SUCCESSFULLY ENTERED INTO ECONSUMER.GOV! Thank you for helping us spot trends and combat scams. ... View more
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