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I listed some artificial grass on gumtree and was contacted by a buyer who initially contacted me on gumtree saying (asking if it can be picked up by a van man after i have made the payment) of cause i agreed i then get emails (I've forwarded the address to the Guy with Van to calculate the cost of pick up and delivery for me. I will make the payment as soon as he get back to me. Can you also delete the AD from the website to stop further inquiry. I'm Joseph.) again i thought yes ok no problem then he sends (That's great, thank you. Can you please confirm the full name associated with the paypal account?) which i thought ok PayPal is fine sent details i then get (The Guy with the Van just got back to me. Right now everything is set, I gave him your information. He would contact you to schedule pick up date and time. But I have a little problem which I am sure you can help me through it. The Van guy wants his money through an Amazon Gift card which I couldn't get due to my present condition(I'm home-bound). I'll include the £105 he charged me for pick up and delivery to the PayPal payment I'll send to you. You will help me go to any nearest store to purchase the gift card for the Value of £105. I will also include an additional £20 for your time and fuel. I will be happy if you can do this for me. Please let me know in your response, if you could help me get the gift cards for the Van Man and I will proceed with the payment now. He will collect the cards from you at the time of pick up. Regards,Joseph.) ( i then get a notification email from PayPal saying you have an instant payment ) i then get another email from PayPal You have a payment on hold! below Dear Martyn <Removed>, We would like to inform you that a payment of ££££££ GBP sent to your PayPal account from Joseph <Removed> has been successfully received by us. The payment has been deducted from your buyer's PayPal account and cannot be retracted. The amount sent to you includes delivery charges £105.00 GBP. Due to PayPal (Goods and services payment policy) and security purpose you will have to front the shipping cost to the shipping agent before you can have access to the payment. This is done in order to protect you and your buyer from online scam. You are covered by our world-class fraud protection: we monitor transactions 24/7 for suspicious activity. The delivery agent would like to be paid with an Amazon gift card. This is very easy, kindly visit any Clinton Card, McColls, Superdrug or any nearest store to purchase the Amazon GIFT CARD with Cash. You will purchase 1 piece of £100 card and 1x £5 card. You will need to gently scratch off the cards, take picture of the cards one by one with the receipt and send it to us in reply to this message. Please Note: You can also purchase the card on the Amazon website and they will email you E-Code which you can also forward to us. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this process might cause you. The payment will be available in your PayPal account immediately we have received the picture of the cards with receipt. Feel free to reply to this message with any question. Yours sincerely, PayPal.) I then get several emails from this joseph saying (I've made the payment now. PayPal must have sent you the payment confirmation messages to your email which will confirm the payment and tell you how to proceed. Let me know if you received it or have any question regarding this. Thanks.) (if you are buying the gift card on the Amazon website, they will just send the Ecode to you. Its ok if its cool with you. You can give him the E-code at the time of pick up) Asked for details because it seemed a bit fishy he said (What details do you need of him. He is just a guy that owns a van and use it for delivery. I have used him once or twice before and hes diligent.I am in Norwich.) (Can you please forward the PayPal messages you received to.) I have messaged PayPal to see if this is genuine and amazon and no one has got back i think prob a scam but need to check if genuine i am happy to sell the product
They encourage you to accept a 'direct' Paypal payment and need your full name to send you a more realistic FAKE paypal email.
No funds or activity of the transaction shows in your Paypal account and any emails 'may' go into your junk/spam folders.
They don't quibble on cost and may also say they can't view the item as they are disabled or working abroad etc etc but they will arrange a shipping agent to collect it.
You will get/got a "fake" email that looks as though it is from paypal.....it isn't because they don't actually have a Paypal account and have no intention of paying you.
It will say the buyer has paid ...you won't have been paid.
The 'fake' paypal email will tell you that the buyer has paid for the item + shipping costs but you must send those shipping costs to the courier/ shipping agent via anther payment processor than Paypal OR via providing some vouchers or tokens before the funds are released to you.
They are not interested in the item, they just want that couriers/shipping funds and you will never see money in your paypal balance.
Once you have become a victim they may try again with more fake Paypal emails with other 'reasons' that you must send them a payment for in the form of vouchers or tokens etc.
Paypal NEVER tell you to send an item or pay any money (as a seller) before the payment is showing in your paypal account.
Paypal NEVER expect you to use a rival money transfer service eg Moneygram or Western Union etc.
Also their is no seller protection on paypal for any type of item that is collected by the buyer.
Delete any emails and ignore the scammers.
I am so glad I checked first as it didn't sound right, I got the same message word for word, he was disabled, couldn't see the pics on gumtree, the email supposedly from PayPal looked authentic but alarm bells were ringing when the payment didn't show in PayPal account, its a scam