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I thought in was on the ball canning site. Ordered some canning supplys from them when I received the order confirmation to my surprise it was to a known scammer in these canning supplys. So I tried contacting PayPal about a fraudulent expense to get my money back. Well I went about it wrong and PayPal denied my resolution. So here it's been 3 weeks and no product either guess PayPal is in league with these scammers as I can't file another claim for not receiving the product. I've tried contacting the seller surprise surprise I can't get a hold of them and I can't contact PayPal becuase it will only allow me to file one claim on this item... PayPal and that company got me for 40,47 dollars ill remember this. Why doesnt paypal have a way to contact them. Sincerely jilted.