Keidson fraud - Paypal assisted

PeterBuyer
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Dear fellow paypal users. My case was jut closed by Paypal with denying my refund claim.

I wonder how many of us ran into the cheater Keidson seller who advertises expensive items and than delivers cheap useless crap.

The big question is why do paypal assists just scam instead of forcing honest seller behavior with all means possible.

My item was the usd 100,- anatomy torso for kids, that is a fair price for an educational tool. What Keidson sent was a cheap unusable toy worth usd 10,- 

 

Anybody with the same experiece?

 

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jrmclain
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Keidson is DEFINITELY a SCAM and FRAUD site operator! They are trading under several names, but "Keidson", <removed>, <removed>,<removed>,<removed>,<removed>,<removed>, appear to be more prevalent.

 

You need to re-open your case through message center and reference this post.  PayPal needs to take action against this vendor and all of it's scam sites. 

 

This is urgent as thousands of U.S. consumers are being impacted in the peak of holiday shopping are being frauded. The Fraudster is using PayPal and warehouses located in the State of California. One of the warehouses is/was at <removed> USA (which appears to be a third-party fulfillment company) and they purport to use an address at <removed>

 

The scam this site, a/k/a Keidson, is running is very widespread and somewhat sophisticated. They advertise certain brand products that may have a retail price of $50 to $500+ dollars at an attractive discount, then, 4-12+ weeks later, ship a completely different product to show a tracking number delivery. Examples range from people buying appliances and being shipped little plastic toys to just garbage being placed in the parcel. I think they intentionally delay the shipments (despite customers paying for expedited shipping) hoping customers forget about their order and to get past the statutory dispute periods on many credit/debit cards policies. The merchant has exploited a process loophole in PayPal's fraud resolution procedure - when the order is disputed by the customer, Keidson provides the tracking number as "proof" it was delivered. It seems like PayPal's resolution specialists don't look at the photos of the contents of the parcels compared to the actual items ordered.


Requests to the merchant to send the correct product, issue a refund, or provide a means to return the incorrect items sent are met with only template responses that do not in any way answer the questions or concerns posed - the responses are all generic. All inquiries seem to receive a delayed response of 5-10 different templates offering anywhere from 5% to 50% refund in exchange for keeping the product - none references anything about the issue or anything specific about the order. I think they have a bot auto-responder on a timer and not even a real customer service person reading the email.

 

Regardless of the template, all of the responses say something along the lines of it costs a bunch of money to ship it back to China which often exceeds the dollar value of the order and the customer is responsible for the shipping and also risk for the product in return transit - they request the customer "keep it or give it away as a gift" in exchange for a nominal credit. They ship from a U.S warehouse in California, but demand the product be returned to China (not even a real address in China) at the customer's expense. The email addresses used are all Chinese webmail providers and not a URL of the actual company. There is no phone number to reach them and the US warehouse address is a third-party Chinese fulfillment center that handles import/export orders.

 

Take a look at the hundreds of examples in the PayPal Community threads. Google searches will reveal thousands of consumers being scammed (many using PayPal as the means of payment). This appears to be happening to PayPal customers in Europe as well. Some U.S. consumers are even alleging certain front-line employees at PayPal may be in on scam which is why the dispute resolutions are not working and the wide-spread scammer is not being shutdown.  I do not believe this to be the case, but this represents both a SIGNIFICANT LEGAL AND REPUTATIONAL RISK FOR PAYPAL.

 

Links of others being scammed by this merchant:

https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/forums/searchpage/tab/message?q=keidson 

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=keidson+scam&oq=keidson+scam

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guild1
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Yep, I should have googled this first but I just got scammed for $65.98 for a "torch flashlight" and received a $2 Thrift Store Flashlight over a month later.... and because they supplied a tracking number PayPal will not cover this purchase. PayPal should have this Keidson name on their radar, its ridiculous they can run around long ship times then send you an item clearly not ordered to supply a "shipped" tracking number so PayPal cannot protect your purchase. Unreal!!!!! 

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kernowlass
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@guild1 

 

Did you open a dispute for non receipt of item OR item received but not as described?

Only tracking would only win the non receipt dispute.


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PeterBuyer
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Not as discribed. That's what happpened. Usd 100 was paid, and a 10 dollar item arrived.
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