Buyer won on an unauthorised payment issue

Casino998
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Hello, I recently sold an item to somebody on Ebay for around £12 and then a few weeks later I got a message from PayPal saying that it was apparently an unauthorised payment. So, I sent all the relevant details to PayPal including a photo of my proof of postage receipt where I sent it to the post office and the tracking number. However, the buyer ended up winning due to the postage not being 'able to verified' (??). I don't understand how they won despite the evidence I submitted. Plus another stupid charge was added on top! Are PayPal in the wrong or is there something I should've done? How do I prevent this s**t happening in the future? I'm pretty sure it was a scam. Many thanks!
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Wonderboy5
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Hi, I even had a worse experience if I may say so and am keen to get a response from a Moderator as the helpdesk seems to be 'inadequately staffed' (Corona as an excuse, yes sure - what about online working from home??) to help me.

 

I sold an Iphone to someone in the US (I am in the Netherlands) and she would make the payment via PayPal. I had read all the terms about Buyer Protection (obviously no safeguards for the Seller, so this is a total anomoly, assuming they value customers that hold money in their wallet, so don't understand the bias here), so understood there were risks. Which made me extra cautious. I received an email, purportedly from PayPal (but not as it later turned out) that the payment was received from the Buyer but that it was being held pending receipt of a tracking number. I submitted the tracking number and the package was indeed on its way. More and more I got suspicious especially as a further mail was sent from the same mail address that it would be taking 48 hours longer to settle the amount due to server issues. I therefore forwarded that mail to PayPal to validate it. During all this time I tried contacting PayPal (by phone and through message service) but no response. I had therefore given the order to DHL to stop shipment, which they did. Quite soon a mail from PayPal's spoof mailaddress arrived saying that there was no reason to doubt the mail. Based on this I allowed the shipment to continue. Now finally I am being told (finally by the messaging service) that the mail was fraudulent and that if I wanted I could always file a claim (no directions as to how to do this and what this process might look like, of course... the messaging is still pending and very unsatisfactory in terms of answers and timing).

 

So, the status is that I lived up to all my obligations, even checked multiple times with PayPal during the process to avoid fraud and now I am with a device that I sold and without payment. To report unauthorised transactions the website is set up only to accommodate the one making the payment. In this case, I have no payment so cannot report/claim through this means. The fraud desk only sends automated replies (no doubt using self-learning software that looks for spoofs/phishing, etc.). Clearly, PayPal did everything wrong in terms of adequate response time and even confirming a mail did not look suspicious. I am going to claim the EUR 940 lost here although the website provides no guidance as to how to achieve this.

 

PayPal is valued at billions of dollars and no doubt making nice profits; clearly not being too worried about customers that are unsatisfied because their product does not work adequately. Especially in a area such as fraud that is to key to the business and clearly rampant. You would expect they invest a lot more to avoid this. I will continue my fight, which is just starting.

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kernowlass
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@Wonderboy5 

 

This has nothing to do with paypal as you were scammed by fake paypal emails, scam has been ongoing for about 20 years and is all over this forum.

 

SCAM.

They encourage you to accept a direct Paypal payment and may ask you to send the item internationally.
No funds or activity of the transaction shows in your Paypal account and any emails may go into your junk/spam folders.

You will get/got a "fake" email that looks as though it is from paypal.....it isn't because they don't have a Paypal account and have no intention of paying you.
It will say the buyer has paid ...you won't have been paid.
They will tell you that the payment is released when you provide paypal with a tracking/shipping number......this won't happen.

Paypal NEVER tell you to send an item before the payment is showing in your paypal account.
Paypal do not tell you to send trackable, they advise it for selling protection but it is not compulsory.


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Wonderboy5
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I guess indeed that this is not new. But, being cautious I checked with PayPal and while their customer support is totally absent, in any case not timely, their fraud desk reviewed the mail and sent me back that it was not fraudulent. So, if this has been around for a long time, they could and should have warned me, as I in fact had the shipment stopped at some point. Overall, PayPal is grossly negligible in my view. And don't understand why they focus so much on Buyer protection (even if they send the money) versus the Seller (ultimately the Seller is also a customer, who holds funds in a Wallet that PayPaly I am sure make good use of in terms of free liquidity.

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kernowlass
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@Casino998 

 

An unauthorised transaction means that an account holders Paypal account was hacked and used without their consent by your ?buyer.

 

However if you got a 'charge' above what was paid then it sounds as if the unauthorised dispute was a chargeback in that the buyer went straight to their card issuer (as they funded their paypal payment that way) and so the card issuer and not paypal makes all the decisions. All paypal do is pass on any information you supply to the card issuer.

The card issuer charges you their chargeback fee.

You would not lose out if you met ALL the requirements of seller protection, so your best bet is to go and read up on it to see where you missed out ie did tracking prove delivery of the item to the buyer? If not then you would have lost.


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